Harrow East MP Bob Blackman criticised for trip to Israel

Harrow East MP Bob Blackman

Harrow East MP Bob Blackman

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I was horrified to discover that, while Gaza burns under Israeli bombing, Harrow East MP Bob Blackman was one of several MPs enjoying a free relationship-building trip to Israel, including tours of its military facilities.

Israeli forces have killed 1,363 Palestinians to date — 70 per cent of whom are thought to be civilians, including whole families — using the flimsy excuse of being fired on by Hamas forces “nearby” (this from an army that employs drones and “battle-tested” precision weaponry).

Hamas rockets are largely kept out of Israel and away from smug Tory politicos by the US-funded “Iron Dome defence system” which Blackman was shown as part of his tour.

Do you agree? Have your say here.

Palestinians have nothing. No navy, no army, no air defence, and no international support. Meanwhile Israel targets Palestinians using, in part, weaponry sold to Israel by the UK.

A corresponding visit to Palestine was cancelled amid “safety concerns” reflecting the grossly disproportionate weaponry resource, and corresponding casualty numbers, on both sides of the “conflict”.

Media coverage of the fighting has not reflected the fact the Israel has illegally occupied Palestine since 1967 and has applied a restrictive blockade of Gaza since its military “withdrawal” in 2005.

I was distressed to learn that my father, a religious man, voted for Mr Blackman due to his pro-life credentials.

In legitimising Israeli tourism, even as it pummels the “open-air prison”of the Gaza strip, I venture Mr Blackman is more pro-death.

Meanwhile, anyone horrified by the bloodshed in Gaza in recent weeks may like to remember this trip, and Mr Blackman’s status as a “Conservative friend of Israel”, come election time.

Charlotte Kelly

Harrow

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3:31pm Sun 10 Aug 14

hursthill says...

The above letter is obscene.

Israel needs to make no apology for saving it's civilians lives by inventing Iron Dome !

Whilst Israel builds shelters to protect it's people from Hamas rockets, Hamas builds shelters to protect it's rockets, which it fires from hospitals, schools & children's bedrooms.

There would have been no conflict if Hamas had not fired rockets ( 4,000 + ) at Israel. Israel like any other country has the legal & moral right to self defence.

Remember Hamas is a terrorist organisation, with a homophobic, sexist & racist ideology. yesterday it refused to extend a 72 hour ceasefire, which Israel accepted , so it could continue firing rockets.

Isis is currently executing the Christian community in Iraq. Hamas wants to do the same to the Jewish community in Israel.

Perhaps Charlotte Kelly could write her disapproval of Isis, or Assad in Syria for murdering 200,000 Muslims in Syria. Or is Charlotte not horrified by this bloodshed ?
The above letter is obscene. Israel needs to make no apology for saving it's civilians lives by inventing Iron Dome ! Whilst Israel builds shelters to protect it's people from Hamas rockets, Hamas builds shelters to protect it's rockets, which it fires from hospitals, schools & children's bedrooms. There would have been no conflict if Hamas had not fired rockets ( 4,000 + ) at Israel. Israel like any other country has the legal & moral right to self defence. Remember Hamas is a terrorist organisation, with a homophobic, sexist & racist ideology. yesterday it refused to extend a 72 hour ceasefire, which Israel accepted , so it could continue firing rockets. Isis is currently executing the Christian community in Iraq. Hamas wants to do the same to the Jewish community in Israel. Perhaps Charlotte Kelly could write her disapproval of Isis, or Assad in Syria for murdering 200,000 Muslims in Syria. Or is Charlotte not horrified by this bloodshed ? hursthill
  • Score: 25

8:30pm Sun 10 Aug 14

charlotte_k says...

"Perhaps Charlotte Kelly could write her disapproval of Isis, or Assad in Syria for murdering 200,000 Muslims in Syria. Or is Charlotte not horrified by this bloodshed ?"

Why, is Bob Blackman going on a relationship-buildin
g holiday to these places too? Because that was the point of my letter.

Also, your claim of Hamas using civilians as human shields is VERY difficult to prove, don't you think? You are regurgitating Israeli propaganda that aims to dehumanise Palestinians, nauseatingly implying that the victims are somehow responsible for their own deaths.

Read more on debunking Israeli propaganda myths, many of which are covered in your comment, here: http://www.thenation
.com/article/180783/
five-israeli-talking
-points-gaza-debunke
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"Perhaps Charlotte Kelly could write her disapproval of Isis, or Assad in Syria for murdering 200,000 Muslims in Syria. Or is Charlotte not horrified by this bloodshed ?" Why, is Bob Blackman going on a relationship-buildin g holiday to these places too? Because that was the point of my letter. Also, your claim of Hamas using civilians as human shields is VERY difficult to prove, don't you think? You are regurgitating Israeli propaganda that aims to dehumanise Palestinians, nauseatingly implying that the victims are somehow responsible for their own deaths. Read more on debunking Israeli propaganda myths, many of which are covered in your comment, here: http://www.thenation .com/article/180783/ five-israeli-talking -points-gaza-debunke d# charlotte_k
  • Score: -28

9:27pm Sun 10 Aug 14

roastduck says...

"Hamas builds shelters to protect it's rockets, which it fires from hospitals, schools & children's bedrooms."

I agree that Hamas is a terrorist organisation, but that does not justify Israel bombing civilians indiscriminately. If a terrorist held your family prisoner in your house, how would you feel if the authorities were to bomb the house just to kill the terrorist regardless of the fact that it also killed your family. What the Israeli government is doing is illegal under international law and needs to be stopped.
"Hamas builds shelters to protect it's rockets, which it fires from hospitals, schools & children's bedrooms." I agree that Hamas is a terrorist organisation, but that does not justify Israel bombing civilians indiscriminately. If a terrorist held your family prisoner in your house, how would you feel if the authorities were to bomb the house just to kill the terrorist regardless of the fact that it also killed your family. What the Israeli government is doing is illegal under international law and needs to be stopped. roastduck
  • Score: -17

8:30am Mon 11 Aug 14

Geoff Wolf says...

Bob Blackman was not on a holiday. He was on a fact finding mission. It would be really helpful if those that criticize Israel go and see for themselves.
Israel's greatest wish is for real peace with all its neighbours. If all the building materials entering Gaza over the years had been used for the intended purpose of building housing and commercial buildings instead of tunnels and storage for missiles etc, there would not have been any need to destroy them.
Bob Blackman was not on a holiday. He was on a fact finding mission. It would be really helpful if those that criticize Israel go and see for themselves. Israel's greatest wish is for real peace with all its neighbours. If all the building materials entering Gaza over the years had been used for the intended purpose of building housing and commercial buildings instead of tunnels and storage for missiles etc, there would not have been any need to destroy them. Geoff Wolf
  • Score: 22

10:11am Mon 11 Aug 14

laurie mac says...

Horrifying comments on Israel/Hamas conflict by many who accept propoganda as fact. Nothing new, best we forget history of illegal warfare. Indiscriminate bombing was known to be from Peenamonde, we sent 600 heavy bombers to stop fusillade of V Bombs and Rockets devastating London. 2,400 casualties, London, in one night historically accurate. In Germany, one man, Werner Von Braun, commanded the manufacture of the armament, he used slave labour, murdered prisoners used in pilotless experiments. Sadly many of these unfortunate workers were killed by RAF Bombing, we missed Von Braun. Our troops racing to stop rain of rockets were slowed by US plans to get there first. They did, Werner Von Braun, shipped to America, not tried for War Crimes, lauded as genius of rocketry, given NASA as reward and put First Man on Moon. These Hamas Rockets fired from safety of hospitals, schools, private homes are not "home made", manufactured by suppliers outside Palestine fired from tunnels under such secure camouflaged bunkerrs. Just as we sent 600 bombers to destroy the Peenemunde Launching sites without regard for innocent civilian casualties so Israel is forced to similar action to protect itself. This is war, waged exactly the same as that terrorist organisation IRA , with which that name Kelly was often associated, blew up Hammersmith Bridge as far back in time as 1938 and continued its atrocities for over Seventy Years of my lifetime until a few years ago. I accept as pure propoganda the stories from the British Mandate of Palestine that at least three trerrorist organisations with whom we were unable to negotiate a truce were hanging our Soldiers from Palm Trees. I also accept as a Commander at the time that our troops were not angels when they retaliated. Historically in our great Commonwealth, terrorists became Freedom Fighters, then National Leaders, sometimes even Knighted by our Monarch. Your correspondents, even reporters, should just try to distinguish lying propoganda from truth.
Laurie Mac
Horrifying comments on Israel/Hamas conflict by many who accept propoganda as fact. Nothing new, best we forget history of illegal warfare. Indiscriminate bombing was known to be from Peenamonde, we sent 600 heavy bombers to stop fusillade of V Bombs and Rockets devastating London. 2,400 casualties, London, in one night historically accurate. In Germany, one man, Werner Von Braun, commanded the manufacture of the armament, he used slave labour, murdered prisoners used in pilotless experiments. Sadly many of these unfortunate workers were killed by RAF Bombing, we missed Von Braun. Our troops racing to stop rain of rockets were slowed by US plans to get there first. They did, Werner Von Braun, shipped to America, not tried for War Crimes, lauded as genius of rocketry, given NASA as reward and put First Man on Moon. These Hamas Rockets fired from safety of hospitals, schools, private homes are not "home made", manufactured by suppliers outside Palestine fired from tunnels under such secure camouflaged bunkerrs. Just as we sent 600 bombers to destroy the Peenemunde Launching sites without regard for innocent civilian casualties so Israel is forced to similar action to protect itself. This is war, waged exactly the same as that terrorist organisation IRA , with which that name Kelly was often associated, blew up Hammersmith Bridge as far back in time as 1938 and continued its atrocities for over Seventy Years of my lifetime until a few years ago. I accept as pure propoganda the stories from the British Mandate of Palestine that at least three trerrorist organisations with whom we were unable to negotiate a truce were hanging our Soldiers from Palm Trees. I also accept as a Commander at the time that our troops were not angels when they retaliated. Historically in our great Commonwealth, terrorists became Freedom Fighters, then National Leaders, sometimes even Knighted by our Monarch. Your correspondents, even reporters, should just try to distinguish lying propoganda from truth. Laurie Mac laurie mac
  • Score: 7

10:56am Mon 11 Aug 14

SeaBee says...

Ms. Kelly, if you wish to see a reduction in civilian deaths in Gaza then perhaps you should persuade Hamas to fire its rockets from uninhabited areas instead of from mosques, schools and high-rise buildings. Hamas are not interested in protecting civilians, Dead babies are seen as useful propaganda weapons. Remember when Hamas defeated Fatah? Realising that the Koran prohibits the killing of one Moslem by another they instead hurled their Fatah enemies from the top of tall buildings on the grounds that it was gravity, not Hamas, that brought about their deaths.
Ms. Kelly, if you wish to see a reduction in civilian deaths in Gaza then perhaps you should persuade Hamas to fire its rockets from uninhabited areas instead of from mosques, schools and high-rise buildings. Hamas are not interested in protecting civilians, Dead babies are seen as useful propaganda weapons. Remember when Hamas defeated Fatah? Realising that the Koran prohibits the killing of one Moslem by another they instead hurled their Fatah enemies from the top of tall buildings on the grounds that it was gravity, not Hamas, that brought about their deaths. SeaBee
  • Score: 20

10:59am Mon 11 Aug 14

MarmiteSoldiers says...

Ms Kelly makes seems to feel its ok to take the words of a recognised terror organisation as gospel but dismisses those of a sovereign state as propaganda. If she were to have checked some of the statements made by HAMAS she would have discovered that they admit themselves to using human shields. "The people of Gaza will show their chests to Israeli bombs and bullets." Other gems in their manifesto such as "Israel will exist until Islam obliterates it" makes me certain that no peace is possible while HAMAS is on the scene.

Al Jazera, not a media organisation that one would expect to be pro-Israel, has analysed the casualty data far more carefully than the BBC and reported that the vast majority of those killed or wounded are young men of fighting age, Obviously Ms Kelly is not concerned by the fact that none of the media outlets have shown any pictures of HAMAS terrorists engaging with the IDF or firing rockets.

By dismissing even the fact that HAMAS are firing ANY rockets at Israel, Ms Kelly has shown how blind she is to the propaganda. By claiming that because Israel can shoot down some of the missiles with their "US Funded" Iron dome system there's no justification for Israel's retaliation Ms Kelly might want to consider how the UK would respond if in a similar situation at some point. As for the Iron Dome being US funded, so are UNWRA (the US is the largest contributor to the UN) which have been found to be complicit in storage of HAMAS weapons, contrary to their charter of remaining independent.

If as Ms Kelly suggests that Palestinians have 'nothing' why is HAMAS firing rockets at Israel? Perhaps HAMAS wants Israel to kill Gazan's so people like Ms Kelly can run to their defence.

The "disproportionate" word is mentioned. Perhaps Ms Kelly would be happier if HAMAS had killed an equal number of Israelis. The concept of proportionality does not exist in war.

We then get into the "Israel has illegally occupied Palestine since 1967"., Again Israel isn't occupying Gaza. The Palestinian territory or West Bank and Golan Heights are disputed territory gained as the spoils of war which Israel didn't start. Did Ms Kelly consider the West Bank occupied prior to 1967 when Jordan 'occupied it',

I am very proud that Bob is a Conservative Friend of Israel and will be voting for him come election time because he is an excellent MP and willing to stand against the shrill tide of anti-Semitism dressed up as anti-Zionism or anti Israel sentiment.

If Ms Kelly is so concerned for Gaza and the HAMAS terrorists perhaps she could volunteer in one of Gaza's hospitals
Ms Kelly makes seems to feel its ok to take the words of a recognised terror organisation as gospel but dismisses those of a sovereign state as propaganda. If she were to have checked some of the statements made by HAMAS she would have discovered that they admit themselves to using human shields. "The people of Gaza will show their chests to Israeli bombs and bullets." Other gems in their manifesto such as "Israel will exist until Islam obliterates it" makes me certain that no peace is possible while HAMAS is on the scene. Al Jazera, not a media organisation that one would expect to be pro-Israel, has analysed the casualty data far more carefully than the BBC and reported that the vast majority of those killed or wounded are young men of fighting age, Obviously Ms Kelly is not concerned by the fact that none of the media outlets have shown any pictures of HAMAS terrorists engaging with the IDF or firing rockets. By dismissing even the fact that HAMAS are firing ANY rockets at Israel, Ms Kelly has shown how blind she is to the propaganda. By claiming that because Israel can shoot down some of the missiles with their "US Funded" Iron dome system there's no justification for Israel's retaliation Ms Kelly might want to consider how the UK would respond if in a similar situation at some point. As for the Iron Dome being US funded, so are UNWRA (the US is the largest contributor to the UN) which have been found to be complicit in storage of HAMAS weapons, contrary to their charter of remaining independent. If as Ms Kelly suggests that Palestinians have 'nothing' why is HAMAS firing rockets at Israel? Perhaps HAMAS wants Israel to kill Gazan's so people like Ms Kelly can run to their defence. The "disproportionate" word is mentioned. Perhaps Ms Kelly would be happier if HAMAS had killed an equal number of Israelis. The concept of proportionality does not exist in war. We then get into the "Israel has illegally occupied Palestine since 1967"., Again Israel isn't occupying Gaza. The Palestinian territory or West Bank and Golan Heights are disputed territory gained as the spoils of war which Israel didn't start. Did Ms Kelly consider the West Bank occupied prior to 1967 when Jordan 'occupied it', I am very proud that Bob is a Conservative Friend of Israel and will be voting for him come election time because he is an excellent MP and willing to stand against the shrill tide of anti-Semitism dressed up as anti-Zionism or anti Israel sentiment. If Ms Kelly is so concerned for Gaza and the HAMAS terrorists perhaps she could volunteer in one of Gaza's hospitals MarmiteSoldiers
  • Score: 22

10:59am Mon 11 Aug 14

Alex1941 says...

Bob Blackman is a very understanding person he went to Israel on a fact finding mission and he understands the Israel Gaza conflict better than most people who just get their facts from watching the media.
Bob Blackman is a very understanding person he went to Israel on a fact finding mission and he understands the Israel Gaza conflict better than most people who just get their facts from watching the media. Alex1941
  • Score: 15

11:35am Mon 11 Aug 14

Melanie L. says...

Shame on Charlotte Kelly for her ignorance and being duped by terrorist propaganda. Hamas is the scourge of Muslims everywhere. They receive no support from other Muslim countries in the Middle East as they are deemed too blood thirsty. Support for Hamas equals support for the likes of Al Qaeda and IS. One is forced then to assume that our Ms Kelly rejoiced at 9/11 and clapped her hands with glee at 7/7.
Israel has had nearly 4,000 rockets reign down on her and her citizens, indiscriminately. Hamas does not care where they fall. It is sheer dumb luck that no children have been killed. Israeli citizens get about 15 seconds warning to get into a bomb shelter. In return, Israel gives 3 days notice of their intended bomb site. If Hamas chose to imprison women and children into the building that Israel has warned it will bomb, how is that Israel's fault. Meanwhile, Israel has set up a hospital and sent in doctors and nurses to Gaza. Name me one other country that sends in help to its enemy when it's at war. Hamas are no different to IS. They are not fighting for land, they are fighting to kill every single Israeli citizen. Their ideology is to wipe 'Israel off the face of the earth'. But, if you think it will stop there then you are even more naive then your letter. The Muslim terrorists, known as Hamas, want to wipe out the West. They want to kill you and your family, for you are infidels. How we in this country, can be so blinkered to what Muslim fundamentalists are trying to do amazes me. Does the Birmingham Trojan horse not worry you? We are sleep walking into becoming a Muslim country living under Sharia law. Ill informed, naive citizens such as Ms Kelly are helping this. Everyday I thank Gd for politicians such as Bob Blackman. Men who are brave enough to go out to Israel, (they can't go to Gaza as they would likely be killed), and inform themselves of the rights and wrongs of this situation. They don't just spout off anti Semitic vitriol. They don't give aid to terrorists. Politicians such as our fabulous Mr Blackman use their intelligence, their brains, their eyes and ears. They have morals and a backbone. We need more politicians like Mr Blackman, to help fight terrorists and stop the ignorant from inviting them into our country. People like Ms Kelly make me feel ashamed to be British. How can anybody support terrorists? It is simply unpalatable and repugnant. Thank you Mr Blackman, for taking the time to find out the truth. We owe you a debt of honour. Harrow is not just lucky, but blessed to have you represent us. Long may it last!
Shame on Charlotte Kelly for her ignorance and being duped by terrorist propaganda. Hamas is the scourge of Muslims everywhere. They receive no support from other Muslim countries in the Middle East as they are deemed too blood thirsty. Support for Hamas equals support for the likes of Al Qaeda and IS. One is forced then to assume that our Ms Kelly rejoiced at 9/11 and clapped her hands with glee at 7/7. Israel has had nearly 4,000 rockets reign down on her and her citizens, indiscriminately. Hamas does not care where they fall. It is sheer dumb luck that no children have been killed. Israeli citizens get about 15 seconds warning to get into a bomb shelter. In return, Israel gives 3 days notice of their intended bomb site. If Hamas chose to imprison women and children into the building that Israel has warned it will bomb, how is that Israel's fault. Meanwhile, Israel has set up a hospital and sent in doctors and nurses to Gaza. Name me one other country that sends in help to its enemy when it's at war. Hamas are no different to IS. They are not fighting for land, they are fighting to kill every single Israeli citizen. Their ideology is to wipe 'Israel off the face of the earth'. But, if you think it will stop there then you are even more naive then your letter. The Muslim terrorists, known as Hamas, want to wipe out the West. They want to kill you and your family, for you are infidels. How we in this country, can be so blinkered to what Muslim fundamentalists are trying to do amazes me. Does the Birmingham Trojan horse not worry you? We are sleep walking into becoming a Muslim country living under Sharia law. Ill informed, naive citizens such as Ms Kelly are helping this. Everyday I thank Gd for politicians such as Bob Blackman. Men who are brave enough to go out to Israel, (they can't go to Gaza as they would likely be killed), and inform themselves of the rights and wrongs of this situation. They don't just spout off anti Semitic vitriol. They don't give aid to terrorists. Politicians such as our fabulous Mr Blackman use their intelligence, their brains, their eyes and ears. They have morals and a backbone. We need more politicians like Mr Blackman, to help fight terrorists and stop the ignorant from inviting them into our country. People like Ms Kelly make me feel ashamed to be British. How can anybody support terrorists? It is simply unpalatable and repugnant. Thank you Mr Blackman, for taking the time to find out the truth. We owe you a debt of honour. Harrow is not just lucky, but blessed to have you represent us. Long may it last! Melanie L.
  • Score: 21

1:19pm Mon 11 Aug 14

allaboard says...

We should all stand with Israel, a country who has tolerated years of it's towns being shelled by Hamas. Would we tolerate such shelling?

Body counting is the absolute wrong way to judge who is the aggressor in a conflict. in WWII far more Germans were killed than British, does this make us the aggressors? There is a simple reason why there are few Israeli casualties. Israel invests billions in protecting its residents. Building control since the 1950's mandates a bomb shelter in every house, billions are spent on sirens and a rocket defense system. Why haven't Hamas invested some of the billions they receive in building bomb shelters for civilians rather than their militants? Is the mere fact that Israel invest in defense makes it right to fire rockets and shells into Israel? If so, there's another country that requires bomb shelters in its building code, OK to bomb them - let's go bomb Switzerland.
We should all stand with Israel, a country who has tolerated years of it's towns being shelled by Hamas. Would we tolerate such shelling? Body counting is the absolute wrong way to judge who is the aggressor in a conflict. in WWII far more Germans were killed than British, does this make us the aggressors? There is a simple reason why there are few Israeli casualties. Israel invests billions in protecting its residents. Building control since the 1950's mandates a bomb shelter in every house, billions are spent on sirens and a rocket defense system. Why haven't Hamas invested some of the billions they receive in building bomb shelters for civilians rather than their militants? Is the mere fact that Israel invest in defense makes it right to fire rockets and shells into Israel? If so, there's another country that requires bomb shelters in its building code, OK to bomb them - let's go bomb Switzerland. allaboard
  • Score: 12

1:47pm Mon 11 Aug 14

L.E.Cee says...

It's absolutely shocking that Bob Blackman thinks that it is acceptable to visit Israel, especially while they massacre people in Gaza. The death tolls are now even higher than Ms Kelly wrote in her letter - more like 2000 dead, including around 400 children.

Israel has been internationally condemned by the UN and human rights organisations for their disregard for international law, for their Apartheid policies, for their occupation of Palestine and their massacres in Gaza.

Gaza has been under siege for 8 years - there is no escape for civilians as borderds are controlled by Israel and Egypt who refuse permission to leave, even during indiscriminate bombing by Israel. Bob did not visit Gaza so has no real concept of both sides (I sincerely doubt any of the commenters above have visited Gaza either.)

Palestine has been occupied by Israel since 1948 and under international law occupied people have a right to resist occupation. I applaud Ms Kelly's principled stand on this and think it's time that more transparency about the "Conservative Friends of Israel" that Mr Blackman appears to be a member of.
It's absolutely shocking that Bob Blackman thinks that it is acceptable to visit Israel, especially while they massacre people in Gaza. The death tolls are now even higher than Ms Kelly wrote in her letter - more like 2000 dead, including around 400 children. Israel has been internationally condemned by the UN and human rights organisations for their disregard for international law, for their Apartheid policies, for their occupation of Palestine and their massacres in Gaza. Gaza has been under siege for 8 years - there is no escape for civilians as borderds are controlled by Israel and Egypt who refuse permission to leave, even during indiscriminate bombing by Israel. Bob did not visit Gaza so has no real concept of both sides (I sincerely doubt any of the commenters above have visited Gaza either.) Palestine has been occupied by Israel since 1948 and under international law occupied people have a right to resist occupation. I applaud Ms Kelly's principled stand on this and think it's time that more transparency about the "Conservative Friends of Israel" that Mr Blackman appears to be a member of. L.E.Cee
  • Score: -17

1:55pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Stanmorelocal says...

I commend most highly Bob Blackman for getting out his armchair and seeing the situation for himself, rather than relying on biased British media.

The reason Israel had to blockade is because men, women and children were getting blown up. But hey, we're just Jews so that's ok then.

Ms Kelly, try educating yourself instead of swallowing propaganda unquestioningly. Hamas supplies the casualty rate but they'd never lie would they? Or put Palestinians in harms way? Interesting you criticise Bob but where are your letters of outrage about Iraq, Syria, Libya etc?

There is a large minority of Muslims who want the UK to be a Muslim state, and it's happening insidiously because 'politically correct', liberal, naive people like you are helping it.

Wake up people, before it's too late.
I commend most highly Bob Blackman for getting out his armchair and seeing the situation for himself, rather than relying on biased British media. The reason Israel had to blockade is because men, women and children were getting blown up. But hey, we're just Jews so that's ok then. Ms Kelly, try educating yourself instead of swallowing propaganda unquestioningly. Hamas supplies the casualty rate but they'd never lie would they? Or put Palestinians in harms way? Interesting you criticise Bob but where are your letters of outrage about Iraq, Syria, Libya etc? There is a large minority of Muslims who want the UK to be a Muslim state, and it's happening insidiously because 'politically correct', liberal, naive people like you are helping it. Wake up people, before it's too late. Stanmorelocal
  • Score: 22

2:05pm Mon 11 Aug 14

DodieW says...

I cannot believe how ignorant some people (including Charlotte Kelly) are on the subject of Israel and the Palestinians. I wish they would do their homework before criticising Israel. Israel took their citizens out of Gaza some years ago and in the process of this withdrawal left many factories and high tech plants for the Palestinian people to use. What happened next - thePalestinians destroyed all these factories. They then voted for Hamas to lead them and with all the $millions of aid given to them from all over the world to build homes for their people, Hamas, instead of helping their people, decided to use these millions of dollars to build tunnels to enable them to infiltrate into Israel to kill civilians. This aid was also used to acquire thousand upon thousands of rockets which they have fired into Israel over many years (also to kill indiscriminately). These rocket launch sites are assembled in a matter of hours and always in built-up residential areas including next to mosques, schools, hospitals, etc. Hamas do not care how many of their people and children get killed or injured - the more the better for their propaganda. The fact that you are only ever shown their people in refugee camp type situations is also good for their propaganda - and people like Ms Kelly are so gullible that they don't believe these facts.

Make no mistake, these Islam fundamentalists, and that is what Hamas are, at present wish to kill all Israelis and Jews but wait your turn, Miss Kelly, it will be you and all other religions next. Take Iraq for example, the Islamists are slaughtering Christians and other ethnic minorities as we speak. Islam wants to take over the world. a world that is wholly Islamic.
Dodie
I cannot believe how ignorant some people (including Charlotte Kelly) are on the subject of Israel and the Palestinians. I wish they would do their homework before criticising Israel. Israel took their citizens out of Gaza some years ago and in the process of this withdrawal left many factories and high tech plants for the Palestinian people to use. What happened next - thePalestinians destroyed all these factories. They then voted for Hamas to lead them and with all the $millions of aid given to them from all over the world to build homes for their people, Hamas, instead of helping their people, decided to use these millions of dollars to build tunnels to enable them to infiltrate into Israel to kill civilians. This aid was also used to acquire thousand upon thousands of rockets which they have fired into Israel over many years (also to kill indiscriminately). These rocket launch sites are assembled in a matter of hours and always in built-up residential areas including next to mosques, schools, hospitals, etc. Hamas do not care how many of their people and children get killed or injured - the more the better for their propaganda. The fact that you are only ever shown their people in refugee camp type situations is also good for their propaganda - and people like Ms Kelly are so gullible that they don't believe these facts. Make no mistake, these Islam fundamentalists, and that is what Hamas are, at present wish to kill all Israelis and Jews but wait your turn, Miss Kelly, it will be you and all other religions next. Take Iraq for example, the Islamists are slaughtering Christians and other ethnic minorities as we speak. Islam wants to take over the world. a world that is wholly Islamic. Dodie DodieW
  • Score: 22

2:35pm Mon 11 Aug 14

allaboard says...

L.E.Cee wrote:
It's absolutely shocking that Bob Blackman thinks that it is acceptable to visit Israel, especially while they massacre people in Gaza. The death tolls are now even higher than Ms Kelly wrote in her letter - more like 2000 dead, including around 400 children.

Israel has been internationally condemned by the UN and human rights organisations for their disregard for international law, for their Apartheid policies, for their occupation of Palestine and their massacres in Gaza.

Gaza has been under siege for 8 years - there is no escape for civilians as borderds are controlled by Israel and Egypt who refuse permission to leave, even during indiscriminate bombing by Israel. Bob did not visit Gaza so has no real concept of both sides (I sincerely doubt any of the commenters above have visited Gaza either.)

Palestine has been occupied by Israel since 1948 and under international law occupied people have a right to resist occupation. I applaud Ms Kelly's principled stand on this and think it's time that more transparency about the "Conservative Friends of Israel" that Mr Blackman appears to be a member of.
Borders controlled by Egypt? where's the international outcry that Egypt is the one blockading Gaza? Oh wait. Egypt isn't Israel so nobody cares.
[quote][p][bold]L.E.Cee[/bold] wrote: It's absolutely shocking that Bob Blackman thinks that it is acceptable to visit Israel, especially while they massacre people in Gaza. The death tolls are now even higher than Ms Kelly wrote in her letter - more like 2000 dead, including around 400 children. Israel has been internationally condemned by the UN and human rights organisations for their disregard for international law, for their Apartheid policies, for their occupation of Palestine and their massacres in Gaza. Gaza has been under siege for 8 years - there is no escape for civilians as borderds are controlled by Israel and Egypt who refuse permission to leave, even during indiscriminate bombing by Israel. Bob did not visit Gaza so has no real concept of both sides (I sincerely doubt any of the commenters above have visited Gaza either.) Palestine has been occupied by Israel since 1948 and under international law occupied people have a right to resist occupation. I applaud Ms Kelly's principled stand on this and think it's time that more transparency about the "Conservative Friends of Israel" that Mr Blackman appears to be a member of.[/p][/quote]Borders controlled by Egypt? where's the international outcry that Egypt is the one blockading Gaza? Oh wait. Egypt isn't Israel so nobody cares. allaboard
  • Score: 8

2:56pm Mon 11 Aug 14

L.E.Cee says...

One border is controlled by Egypt. The others by Israel. Israel are the ones holding the people of Gaza under siege and occupying the rest of Palestine. However, there is an outcry at the Egyptian closure of the border at Rafah as well for your information.

You say that Ms Kelly and supporters of Palestine are the naive ones, yet it seems none of you have read anything outside of the bloody Islamophobic Daily Mail for many years. Think for yourselves - how would you react if a group of people arrived in your country and decided that it was now their country (i.e. Israelis into Palestine). How would you feel if then for the next 66 years your people were killed, their homes demolished, their land taken and an apartheid land built straight through their communities? How would you feel with soldiers on your rooftops intimidating and sometimes shooting your children?

Have any of you been to Palestine? That's what it's like. It's very easy to sit in Harrow and support your MP for going to Israel because that's what the media tells you to do. Once you start thinking for yourselves you'll see the truth of what's happening in Palestine. And I hope that you all, like Ms Kelly, will be thoroughly disgusted by what you see.

I note also that many of your are using the standard line "why aren't your criticising Syria, blah blah blah" - the whole point of Ms Kelly's letter is clearly that Bob Blackman visited Israel, exactly at a time when they are committing a deadly attack on Gaza. He didn't visit ISIS or Assad or anywhere else. So stop dodging around the issue.

I suggest you read Ben White's Israeli Apartheid: A Beginner's Guide or visit some of the articles on Electronic Intifada for some actual information.
One border is controlled by Egypt. The others by Israel. Israel are the ones holding the people of Gaza under siege and occupying the rest of Palestine. However, there is an outcry at the Egyptian closure of the border at Rafah as well for your information. You say that Ms Kelly and supporters of Palestine are the naive ones, yet it seems none of you have read anything outside of the bloody Islamophobic Daily Mail for many years. Think for yourselves - how would you react if a group of people arrived in your country and decided that it was now their country (i.e. Israelis into Palestine). How would you feel if then for the next 66 years your people were killed, their homes demolished, their land taken and an apartheid land built straight through their communities? How would you feel with soldiers on your rooftops intimidating and sometimes shooting your children? Have any of you been to Palestine? That's what it's like. It's very easy to sit in Harrow and support your MP for going to Israel because that's what the media tells you to do. Once you start thinking for yourselves you'll see the truth of what's happening in Palestine. And I hope that you all, like Ms Kelly, will be thoroughly disgusted by what you see. I note also that many of your are using the standard line "why aren't your criticising Syria, blah blah blah" - the whole point of Ms Kelly's letter is clearly that Bob Blackman visited Israel, exactly at a time when they are committing a deadly attack on Gaza. He didn't visit ISIS or Assad or anywhere else. So stop dodging around the issue. I suggest you read Ben White's Israeli Apartheid: A Beginner's Guide or visit some of the articles on Electronic Intifada for some actual information. L.E.Cee
  • Score: -16

3:04pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Antbee says...

Your correspondents have noted the disproportionate loss of live in Gaza and Israel. They have omitted to note that as no Hamas operative wears a uniform, nearly all losses of life are reported to be civilian deaths. Even more crucially, Israel has lost few civilians because all bus stops, playgrounds, schools and hospitals near Gaza have concrete roofs to protect civilians from the rocket attacks that have now persisted for 15 years. Hamas chose to use concrete to build tunnels to allow its operatives to attack Israel. If this concrete had been used to build homes, more schools and better hospitals, there would have been no civilian deaths in Gaza. There could have been a booming economy and peace between neighbours, just as Israel has peace treaties after years of conflict, with Egypt and Jordan, whereas Hamas’s charter calls for the total destruction of Israel.
There are currently 2 catastrophic attempts at genocide near Israel’s borders. These are the appalling massacres and forced expulsions of the peaceful Yazidi and Christian communities of Northern Iraq by the self-proclaimed Islamic caliphate. Whilst the conflict in Gaza rages, thousands more people have been murdered in Syria – without a word of protest from your readers, Baroness Warsi, the Stop the War coalition or indeed any of Israel’s critics of defence of everyone who lives within its borders.
Bob Blackman was in Israel whilst some of the last month’s 3300+ rockets landed - launched by Hamas with no pretence of them being aimed at military targets. They have been directed at all the big cities where Israelis, Jews, Muslims and Christians live.
In the current climate, supporting Israel has not been a populist vote winner – but then I believe Bob is standing up for the shared British and Israeli values of life and not martyrdom, liberalism and not religious fundamentalism, freedom for all citizens of all faiths and not a religious monopoly, democracy and not rule by the gun and indeed by beheadings. Harrow is fortunate to have such an outstanding MP in Bob Blackman.
Your correspondents have noted the disproportionate loss of live in Gaza and Israel. They have omitted to note that as no Hamas operative wears a uniform, nearly all losses of life are reported to be civilian deaths. Even more crucially, Israel has lost few civilians because all bus stops, playgrounds, schools and hospitals near Gaza have concrete roofs to protect civilians from the rocket attacks that have now persisted for 15 years. Hamas chose to use concrete to build tunnels to allow its operatives to attack Israel. If this concrete had been used to build homes, more schools and better hospitals, there would have been no civilian deaths in Gaza. There could have been a booming economy and peace between neighbours, just as Israel has peace treaties after years of conflict, with Egypt and Jordan, whereas Hamas’s charter calls for the total destruction of Israel. There are currently 2 catastrophic attempts at genocide near Israel’s borders. These are the appalling massacres and forced expulsions of the peaceful Yazidi and Christian communities of Northern Iraq by the self-proclaimed Islamic caliphate. Whilst the conflict in Gaza rages, thousands more people have been murdered in Syria – without a word of protest from your readers, Baroness Warsi, the Stop the War coalition or indeed any of Israel’s critics of defence of everyone who lives within its borders. Bob Blackman was in Israel whilst some of the last month’s 3300+ rockets landed - launched by Hamas with no pretence of them being aimed at military targets. They have been directed at all the big cities where Israelis, Jews, Muslims and Christians live. In the current climate, supporting Israel has not been a populist vote winner – but then I believe Bob is standing up for the shared British and Israeli values of life and not martyrdom, liberalism and not religious fundamentalism, freedom for all citizens of all faiths and not a religious monopoly, democracy and not rule by the gun and indeed by beheadings. Harrow is fortunate to have such an outstanding MP in Bob Blackman. Antbee
  • Score: 25

3:27pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Stanmorelocal says...

L.E.Cee

Oh yes, the Trojan Horse Schools situation was manufactured by the Daily Mail, as is Tower Hamlets being turned into a banana republic where British democracy is totally ignored and the black flag of Jihad being flown at Pro-Palestinian rallies.

Because of people like you, the Schools situation was going on for 6 YEARS.
WAKE UP PEOPLE
L.E.Cee Oh yes, the Trojan Horse Schools situation was manufactured by the Daily Mail, as is Tower Hamlets being turned into a banana republic where British democracy is totally ignored and the black flag of Jihad being flown at Pro-Palestinian rallies. Because of people like you, the Schools situation was going on for 6 YEARS. WAKE UP PEOPLE Stanmorelocal
  • Score: 17

3:41pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Russell Kett says...

Dear Ms Kelly,

It's a real shame that you castigate Bob Blackman for wanting to find out first hand what exactly is happening in Israel rather than relying upon the propaganda emanating from Hamas, the accuracy of which you seem to accept at face value and without question.

As you seem to have overlooked the fact that Hamas is a terrorist organisation you might wish to consider the ethics of using innocent women and children as a protective shield for its military operations, locating rocket launchers and ammunition in or near schools, hospitals and homes. No one wants innocent men, women and children to be hurt (or worse) in any conflict but the Israeli military, more than any other fighting force in the world, takes extraordinary steps to minimise such casualties. I realise you won't believe this and will believe only what you want to believe, but do check this out.

I wish more MPs were like Bob Blackman in wanting to see the situation for themselves and not relying on terrorists' propaganda for their information.
Dear Ms Kelly, It's a real shame that you castigate Bob Blackman for wanting to find out first hand what exactly is happening in Israel rather than relying upon the propaganda emanating from Hamas, the accuracy of which you seem to accept at face value and without question. As you seem to have overlooked the fact that Hamas is a terrorist organisation you might wish to consider the ethics of using innocent women and children as a protective shield for its military operations, locating rocket launchers and ammunition in or near schools, hospitals and homes. No one wants innocent men, women and children to be hurt (or worse) in any conflict but the Israeli military, more than any other fighting force in the world, takes extraordinary steps to minimise such casualties. I realise you won't believe this and will believe only what you want to believe, but do check this out. I wish more MPs were like Bob Blackman in wanting to see the situation for themselves and not relying on terrorists' propaganda for their information. Russell Kett
  • Score: 25

4:22pm Mon 11 Aug 14

geeebeee says...

Good on you Charlotte!

You're right to expose this MP for supporting the racist, violent, apartheid state of Israel.

The current attack on Gaza is just the latest attack in decades of oppression, displacement and dispossession of the Palestinian people.

MPs supporting Israel need to be exposed.
Good on you Charlotte! You're right to expose this MP for supporting the racist, violent, apartheid state of Israel. The current attack on Gaza is just the latest attack in decades of oppression, displacement and dispossession of the Palestinian people. MPs supporting Israel need to be exposed. geeebeee
  • Score: -22

5:09pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Melanie L. says...

L.E. Cee and geebee make Ms Kelly look bright! Your vitriol against Israel shows your true colours. You ignore Hamas' dogma of death to Israel, the Jews and the West. You ignore the fact that when Gaza was given back to the Palestinians, they got all the businesses and homes as well. But they destroyed them all. Too stupid and lazy to work, they'd rather sit on their backsides playing the victim. Child abuse is rampant. Girls remain uneducated, forced into arranged marriages at 13. Homosexuals are murdered. Women can't drive, vote or do anything without permission from their owner, be it their father or husband. The list of human rights abuses goes on. Hamas are terrorists. Who kidnapped Terry Waite and John McCarthy? So, geeebeee, L E Cee and Ms Kelly, you're not fooling anyone with your pretence of caring for Gaza. This most recent war is bringing all the racist, anti Jewish bigots out of the closet. But who do you think Hamas will come for after the Jews? Which religion thinks it has the right to murder people who don't follow it? If you think supporting Hamas will keep you safe, then you're bigger fools then your ignorant, uneducated comments prove you to be. By the way, yes, I have seen with my own eyes what goes on. Go and help the fight if you're so sure you're right. I dare you
L.E. Cee and geebee make Ms Kelly look bright! Your vitriol against Israel shows your true colours. You ignore Hamas' dogma of death to Israel, the Jews and the West. You ignore the fact that when Gaza was given back to the Palestinians, they got all the businesses and homes as well. But they destroyed them all. Too stupid and lazy to work, they'd rather sit on their backsides playing the victim. Child abuse is rampant. Girls remain uneducated, forced into arranged marriages at 13. Homosexuals are murdered. Women can't drive, vote or do anything without permission from their owner, be it their father or husband. The list of human rights abuses goes on. Hamas are terrorists. Who kidnapped Terry Waite and John McCarthy? So, geeebeee, L E Cee and Ms Kelly, you're not fooling anyone with your pretence of caring for Gaza. This most recent war is bringing all the racist, anti Jewish bigots out of the closet. But who do you think Hamas will come for after the Jews? Which religion thinks it has the right to murder people who don't follow it? If you think supporting Hamas will keep you safe, then you're bigger fools then your ignorant, uneducated comments prove you to be. By the way, yes, I have seen with my own eyes what goes on. Go and help the fight if you're so sure you're right. I dare you Melanie L.
  • Score: 18

5:09pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Melanie L. says...

L.E. Cee and geebee make Ms Kelly look bright! Your vitriol against Israel shows your true colours. You ignore Hamas' dogma of death to Israel, the Jews and the West. You ignore the fact that when Gaza was given back to the Palestinians, they got all the businesses and homes as well. But they destroyed them all. Too stupid and lazy to work, they'd rather sit on their backsides playing the victim. Child abuse is rampant. Girls remain uneducated, forced into arranged marriages at 13. Homosexuals are murdered. Women can't drive, vote or do anything without permission from their owner, be it their father or husband. The list of human rights abuses goes on. Hamas are terrorists. Who kidnapped Terry Waite and John McCarthy? So, geeebeee, L E Cee and Ms Kelly, you're not fooling anyone with your pretence of caring for Gaza. This most recent war is bringing all the racist, anti Jewish bigots out of the closet. But who do you think Hamas will come for after the Jews? Which religion thinks it has the right to murder people who don't follow it? If you think supporting Hamas will keep you safe, then you're bigger fools then your ignorant, uneducated comments prove you to be. By the way, yes, I have seen with my own eyes what goes on. Go and help the fight if you're so sure you're right. I dare you
L.E. Cee and geebee make Ms Kelly look bright! Your vitriol against Israel shows your true colours. You ignore Hamas' dogma of death to Israel, the Jews and the West. You ignore the fact that when Gaza was given back to the Palestinians, they got all the businesses and homes as well. But they destroyed them all. Too stupid and lazy to work, they'd rather sit on their backsides playing the victim. Child abuse is rampant. Girls remain uneducated, forced into arranged marriages at 13. Homosexuals are murdered. Women can't drive, vote or do anything without permission from their owner, be it their father or husband. The list of human rights abuses goes on. Hamas are terrorists. Who kidnapped Terry Waite and John McCarthy? So, geeebeee, L E Cee and Ms Kelly, you're not fooling anyone with your pretence of caring for Gaza. This most recent war is bringing all the racist, anti Jewish bigots out of the closet. But who do you think Hamas will come for after the Jews? Which religion thinks it has the right to murder people who don't follow it? If you think supporting Hamas will keep you safe, then you're bigger fools then your ignorant, uneducated comments prove you to be. By the way, yes, I have seen with my own eyes what goes on. Go and help the fight if you're so sure you're right. I dare you Melanie L.
  • Score: 16

7:38pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Naeem Ess says...

Geoff Wolf wrote:
Bob Blackman was not on a holiday. He was on a fact finding mission. It would be really helpful if those that criticize Israel go and see for themselves.
Israel's greatest wish is for real peace with all its neighbours. If all the building materials entering Gaza over the years had been used for the intended purpose of building housing and commercial buildings instead of tunnels and storage for missiles etc, there would not have been any need to destroy them.
How is going to Israel and talking to the army a fact finding mission? He's just getting the same lies that Mark Regev spouts on TV every night. Israel has no wish for peace with the Palestinians. Netanyahu made it clear in a recent speech that he would not accept a 2 state solution of any kind. Netanyahu's sole wish is to keep the Palestinians subjugated enough to carry on his theft of their land. History will judge Mr Blackman harshly for supporting an apartheid state.
[quote][p][bold]Geoff Wolf[/bold] wrote: Bob Blackman was not on a holiday. He was on a fact finding mission. It would be really helpful if those that criticize Israel go and see for themselves. Israel's greatest wish is for real peace with all its neighbours. If all the building materials entering Gaza over the years had been used for the intended purpose of building housing and commercial buildings instead of tunnels and storage for missiles etc, there would not have been any need to destroy them.[/p][/quote]How is going to Israel and talking to the army a fact finding mission? He's just getting the same lies that Mark Regev spouts on TV every night. Israel has no wish for peace with the Palestinians. Netanyahu made it clear in a recent speech that he would not accept a 2 state solution of any kind. Netanyahu's sole wish is to keep the Palestinians subjugated enough to carry on his theft of their land. History will judge Mr Blackman harshly for supporting an apartheid state. Naeem Ess
  • Score: -21

8:41pm Mon 11 Aug 14

DanCul says...

Shame on Bob Blackman for visiting Israel, he wont be getting my vote.
Shame on Bob Blackman for visiting Israel, he wont be getting my vote. DanCul
  • Score: -20

9:56pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Melanie L. says...

DanCul, Naeem Ess, geeebeee, Charlotte Kelly and everyone else who wants to support terror, this is for you.
Once Upon a Time there were a group of kindly, well educated gentleman called Hamas. They were so lovely that everyone loved them. You never heard a bad word said against them. One day, whilst Hamas were busy sewing costumes for this years Gay Pride march, wicked old Israel started bombing them for no reason at all! Nobody in the world could understand it. Honestly, anyone would think that Hamas had kidnapped and murdered three innocent school children the way Israel was carrying on. Well, Hamas had nothing to retaliate with. They had some fireworks left over from when their first female Prime Minister got elected. But all their money had been spent on building a hospital specialising in transgender surgery and counselling. They didn't know what to do. Luckily the next day they were expecting a visit from the Archbishop of Canterbury, who was going to inaugurate Gaza's first female bishop. They were sure he would help. He was being joined by the Chief Rabbi, who was coming to open the 20th synagogue to be built in Gaza and also the Pope was on his way, to hold a huge mass for all Gaza's Catholics. Hamas sat down and had a friendly chat with the religious trio. They all agreed, Gaza was in for a tough time. Israel was a terrible place. They cut the hands off thieves, they stoned immodest women to death, they murdered gay people and anybody who tried to speak out against the leadership was murdered, along with every member of their family. Thousands of rockets rained down on poor little Hamas. They were lucky if they got as much as 15 seconds warning. Meanwhile, Israel was busy using all the cement and other building supplies that had been donated for building schools and hospitals, for constructing tunnels underground. They were going to use these tunnels to send in suicide bombers. That's how stupid they were. They believed that if you blew yourself up and in the process loads of Palestinian innocents, you got given hundreds of virgins in heaven. Really, how could anybody take a country seriously when they believed in that load of old rubbish. Not only that, all the other Jewish countries in the area, and there were many, wouldn't go near Israel. Even the Islamic State in Iraq, who buried Christians alive, thought Israel were despicable. The situation looked bad, really bad. But then, and this was probably due to all the charity work that Hamas tirelessly dedicated itself to, a miracle occurred. Father Christmas turned up, bringing with him the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy. Using copious amounts of her magic dust the Tooth Fairy made Israel disappear and Hamas was given their land. Then they took over the world and anybody who wasn't prepared to join Hamas vanished. First went the Jews and everyone rejoiced. Then all the Christians, the Hindus, gays, single mothers, immodest women, Quakers, Jehovah's witnesses and on and on and on. Until finally it was just Hamas and their followers, who never said a bad word about their leaders. Well, how could they? Their tongues had been cut out. And no one ever lived happily again. THE END
I have to tell you DanCul & the rest of you racists, the day a real man like Bob Blackman needs the votes of bigots like you, we'll all be in trouble. Not that anyone reading this believes that the uneducated anti Semites such as Naeem Ess or geeebeee ever voted for a decent, well educated, hard working, knowledgeable, inclusive and ethical MP like Mr Blackman. You lot are more suited to the likes of George Galloway or Nick Griffin. Mr Blackman appeals to the decent, hard working, aspirational, family orientated, intelligent and moral citizens of Harrow. You must be lost on your way to Bradford. You won't be missed!
DanCul, Naeem Ess, geeebeee, Charlotte Kelly and everyone else who wants to support terror, this is for you. Once Upon a Time there were a group of kindly, well educated gentleman called Hamas. They were so lovely that everyone loved them. You never heard a bad word said against them. One day, whilst Hamas were busy sewing costumes for this years Gay Pride march, wicked old Israel started bombing them for no reason at all! Nobody in the world could understand it. Honestly, anyone would think that Hamas had kidnapped and murdered three innocent school children the way Israel was carrying on. Well, Hamas had nothing to retaliate with. They had some fireworks left over from when their first female Prime Minister got elected. But all their money had been spent on building a hospital specialising in transgender surgery and counselling. They didn't know what to do. Luckily the next day they were expecting a visit from the Archbishop of Canterbury, who was going to inaugurate Gaza's first female bishop. They were sure he would help. He was being joined by the Chief Rabbi, who was coming to open the 20th synagogue to be built in Gaza and also the Pope was on his way, to hold a huge mass for all Gaza's Catholics. Hamas sat down and had a friendly chat with the religious trio. They all agreed, Gaza was in for a tough time. Israel was a terrible place. They cut the hands off thieves, they stoned immodest women to death, they murdered gay people and anybody who tried to speak out against the leadership was murdered, along with every member of their family. Thousands of rockets rained down on poor little Hamas. They were lucky if they got as much as 15 seconds warning. Meanwhile, Israel was busy using all the cement and other building supplies that had been donated for building schools and hospitals, for constructing tunnels underground. They were going to use these tunnels to send in suicide bombers. That's how stupid they were. They believed that if you blew yourself up and in the process loads of Palestinian innocents, you got given hundreds of virgins in heaven. Really, how could anybody take a country seriously when they believed in that load of old rubbish. Not only that, all the other Jewish countries in the area, and there were many, wouldn't go near Israel. Even the Islamic State in Iraq, who buried Christians alive, thought Israel were despicable. The situation looked bad, really bad. But then, and this was probably due to all the charity work that Hamas tirelessly dedicated itself to, a miracle occurred. Father Christmas turned up, bringing with him the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy. Using copious amounts of her magic dust the Tooth Fairy made Israel disappear and Hamas was given their land. Then they took over the world and anybody who wasn't prepared to join Hamas vanished. First went the Jews and everyone rejoiced. Then all the Christians, the Hindus, gays, single mothers, immodest women, Quakers, Jehovah's witnesses and on and on and on. Until finally it was just Hamas and their followers, who never said a bad word about their leaders. Well, how could they? Their tongues had been cut out. And no one ever lived happily again. THE END I have to tell you DanCul & the rest of you racists, the day a real man like Bob Blackman needs the votes of bigots like you, we'll all be in trouble. Not that anyone reading this believes that the uneducated anti Semites such as Naeem Ess or geeebeee ever voted for a decent, well educated, hard working, knowledgeable, inclusive and ethical MP like Mr Blackman. You lot are more suited to the likes of George Galloway or Nick Griffin. Mr Blackman appeals to the decent, hard working, aspirational, family orientated, intelligent and moral citizens of Harrow. You must be lost on your way to Bradford. You won't be missed! Melanie L.
  • Score: 19

11:24pm Mon 11 Aug 14

David Lerner says...

For people who might wish to understand the facts on the ground and what 'happpens' in Gaza, you may wish to consider the Foreign Press Assocation report

"Hamas is using threats and pressure to prevent journalists from providing objective reports, the Foreign Press Association in Israel and Palestine said in a statement Monday. The organization said it "protests in the strongest the blatant, incessant, forceful and unorthodox methods employed by the Hamas authorities and their representatives against visiting international journalists in Gaza over the past month."

According to the FPA, several members of the foreign media in Gaza were harassed, threatened or questioned about stories they reported.In addition, the FPA vehemently opposes "a 'vetting' procedure that would, in effect, allow for the blacklisting of specific journalists," which Hamas is trying to put into place.

On Sunday, Paul T. Jørgensen of Norway's TV2 reported that "several foreign journalists have been kicked out of Gaza because Hamas does not like what they wrote or said. "We have received strict orders that if we record that Hamas fires rockets or that they shoot, we will face serious problems and be expelled from Gaza," Jørgensen added.

or watch Hamas assembling and firing a rocket next to the hotel where journalists were staying as reported by an Indian TV channel

https://www.facebook
.com/photo.php?v=829
264703763068&set=vb.
125249070831305&type
=2&theater

The facts speak for themselves.
For people who might wish to understand the facts on the ground and what 'happpens' in Gaza, you may wish to consider the Foreign Press Assocation report "Hamas is using threats and pressure to prevent journalists from providing objective reports, the Foreign Press Association in Israel and Palestine said in a statement Monday. The organization said it "protests in the strongest the blatant, incessant, forceful and unorthodox methods employed by the Hamas authorities and their representatives against visiting international journalists in Gaza over the past month." According to the FPA, several members of the foreign media in Gaza were harassed, threatened or questioned about stories they reported.In addition, the FPA vehemently opposes "a 'vetting' procedure that would, in effect, allow for the blacklisting of specific journalists," which Hamas is trying to put into place. On Sunday, Paul T. Jørgensen of Norway's TV2 reported that "several foreign journalists have been kicked out of Gaza because Hamas does not like what they wrote or said. "We have received strict orders that if we record that Hamas fires rockets or that they shoot, we will face serious problems and be expelled from Gaza," Jørgensen added. or watch Hamas assembling and firing a rocket next to the hotel where journalists were staying as reported by an Indian TV channel https://www.facebook .com/photo.php?v=829 264703763068&set=vb. 125249070831305&type =2&theater The facts speak for themselves. David Lerner
  • Score: 19

12:18am Tue 12 Aug 14

harvela says...

Thank you Bob Blackman for placing yourself on the right side of history and the war between modernity and the black hearted barbarism of contemporary Islamist fundamentalism . The scenes which we witness taking place in Irak and Syria and to a lesser extent the rest of the Arab Middle East are the same as that faced by Israel in dealing with Hamas . This nihilistic death cult shares the same ideology as that of ISIS , Taliban , Boko Haram , Hezbollah etc .
Shame on Ms Kelly for writing this contemptible piece of Hamas agit prop . It is people like Kelly who provide succour to the likes of murderous terrorists such as Hamas instead of reaching out to moderate Palestinians .
Israel will continue to protect its citizens . It is Hamas who are prepared to sacrifice their own citizens on the altar of their hate filled objectives and all the while their erst while leaders are holed up 20 metres below ground while one Khaled Meshal even issues orders from a 5 star hotel in Doha . A world gone mad
Thank you Bob Blackman for placing yourself on the right side of history and the war between modernity and the black hearted barbarism of contemporary Islamist fundamentalism . The scenes which we witness taking place in Irak and Syria and to a lesser extent the rest of the Arab Middle East are the same as that faced by Israel in dealing with Hamas . This nihilistic death cult shares the same ideology as that of ISIS , Taliban , Boko Haram , Hezbollah etc . Shame on Ms Kelly for writing this contemptible piece of Hamas agit prop . It is people like Kelly who provide succour to the likes of murderous terrorists such as Hamas instead of reaching out to moderate Palestinians . Israel will continue to protect its citizens . It is Hamas who are prepared to sacrifice their own citizens on the altar of their hate filled objectives and all the while their erst while leaders are holed up 20 metres below ground while one Khaled Meshal even issues orders from a 5 star hotel in Doha . A world gone mad harvela
  • Score: 18

9:43am Tue 12 Aug 14

sharon dee says...

I am sick and tired of all these liberal do gooders who do not know the facts and don't want to know them. First of all my mother was born in Palestine in 1931 so what does that make her! Secondly the media is so anti semitic and anti Israel not only are they building up hatred around the world their facts along with Kelly's are so wrong. They don't show soldiers giving their rations to Palestinian children or hospital in Israel helping the sick and injured. If she thinks for one minute Israelis and jews don't cry when they see the dead in Gaza she must be stupid. The blame is with Hamas who don't care about their people and it's about time people woke up and realised Hamas is not your friend and would not think twice about bombing the London underground or somewhere in Britain. Good on Bob Blackman I wish more people had the guts to stand up and see what is really going on. I wish the media in England would show the truth like in France, US, Finland and even India were reporters stand by house and rockets are being let of as they are talking right next to them. This is not propagande but fact. No one mentions the christians in Iraq or what is happening in Syria or even Lebanon, only Israel because it is the only democracy in the middle east. Very strange isn't it that nobody protests about these country and nothing is said about America and probably no doubt Britain soon doing airstrikes over Iraq. Answer me this one thing, why is it that every ceasefire has been broken by Hamas? They don't want peace they want Israel wiped of the map, is that what Ms Kelly wants?
I am sick and tired of all these liberal do gooders who do not know the facts and don't want to know them. First of all my mother was born in Palestine in 1931 so what does that make her! Secondly the media is so anti semitic and anti Israel not only are they building up hatred around the world their facts along with Kelly's are so wrong. They don't show soldiers giving their rations to Palestinian children or hospital in Israel helping the sick and injured. If she thinks for one minute Israelis and jews don't cry when they see the dead in Gaza she must be stupid. The blame is with Hamas who don't care about their people and it's about time people woke up and realised Hamas is not your friend and would not think twice about bombing the London underground or somewhere in Britain. Good on Bob Blackman I wish more people had the guts to stand up and see what is really going on. I wish the media in England would show the truth like in France, US, Finland and even India were reporters stand by house and rockets are being let of as they are talking right next to them. This is not propagande but fact. No one mentions the christians in Iraq or what is happening in Syria or even Lebanon, only Israel because it is the only democracy in the middle east. Very strange isn't it that nobody protests about these country and nothing is said about America and probably no doubt Britain soon doing airstrikes over Iraq. Answer me this one thing, why is it that every ceasefire has been broken by Hamas? They don't want peace they want Israel wiped of the map, is that what Ms Kelly wants? sharon dee
  • Score: 24

7:44pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Naeem Ess says...

Melanie L

I'm always happy when I read abuse like yours because it shows you have no proper arguments to make. I'm not anti-Semitic and I don't support terrorists. The fact that you drew those conclusions speaks to your own prejudices not mine.

No one is saying Hamas haven't committed terrorist acts but that doesn't give Israel the right to commit massive human rights violations of their own. Following your logic, the British government would have been within their rights to carpet bomb west Belfast in response to every IRA attack.

So, I'll take your abuse as a cry for help to which I'm happy to reply. If you wish to educate yourself as to the facts, these 2 articles are a good place to start:

By Yonathan Gher of Amnesty Israel in Tel Aviv:
http://livewire.amne
sty.org/2014/08/06/i
n-israel-as-in-gaza-
human-rights-are-the
-last-line-of-protec
tion/

By Avi Shlaim Emeritus Professor of International Relations at Oxford University:
http://www.aljazeera
.com/indepth/opinion
/2014/08/lessons-con
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Melanie L I'm always happy when I read abuse like yours because it shows you have no proper arguments to make. I'm not anti-Semitic and I don't support terrorists. The fact that you drew those conclusions speaks to your own prejudices not mine. No one is saying Hamas haven't committed terrorist acts but that doesn't give Israel the right to commit massive human rights violations of their own. Following your logic, the British government would have been within their rights to carpet bomb west Belfast in response to every IRA attack. So, I'll take your abuse as a cry for help to which I'm happy to reply. If you wish to educate yourself as to the facts, these 2 articles are a good place to start: By Yonathan Gher of Amnesty Israel in Tel Aviv: http://livewire.amne sty.org/2014/08/06/i n-israel-as-in-gaza- human-rights-are-the -last-line-of-protec tion/ By Avi Shlaim Emeritus Professor of International Relations at Oxford University: http://www.aljazeera .com/indepth/opinion /2014/08/lessons-con flict-gaza-201489112 327757253.html Naeem Ess
  • Score: -4

7:40pm Wed 13 Aug 14

concerned British citizen says...

We went to see Bob Blackman (after initially refusing to see him against our better judgement - despite his assistant insisting we do) after losing our home to race hate crime and racial violence.

True to form - he was of no help whatsoever and his only advice was to go back on benefits when i was already working as self employed.

We left his office still homeless but also now very much brow beaten and insulted and feeling like we were an information gathering exercise for Bob Blackman to report back to Harrow Council to enable Harrow Council cover their tracks, on their multiple failures on the homelessness of a British law abiding tax paying family.

We are still technically homeless 13 months later- so a fat lot of good Bob Blackman is to his constituents - in our opinion.

Lots of devious behaviour going on behind the scenes here once again leaving us shocked that MPs seem impervious to decency and fairness etc.

Homeless British family who helped themselves off the street whilst suffering the full brunt of the vindictiveness of the Harrow Establishment for speaking up and telling the truth about council failures.
We went to see Bob Blackman (after initially refusing to see him against our better judgement - despite his assistant insisting we do) after losing our home to race hate crime and racial violence. True to form - he was of no help whatsoever and his only advice was to go back on benefits when i was already working as self employed. We left his office still homeless but also now very much brow beaten and insulted and feeling like we were an information gathering exercise for Bob Blackman to report back to Harrow Council to enable Harrow Council cover their tracks, on their multiple failures on the homelessness of a British law abiding tax paying family. We are still technically homeless 13 months later- so a fat lot of good Bob Blackman is to his constituents - in our opinion. Lots of devious behaviour going on behind the scenes here once again leaving us shocked that MPs seem impervious to decency and fairness etc. Homeless British family who helped themselves off the street whilst suffering the full brunt of the vindictiveness of the Harrow Establishment for speaking up and telling the truth about council failures. concerned British citizen
  • Score: 0

9:10pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Melanie L. says...

Naeem Ess, Israel has the right to defend her citizens from unceasing and indiscriminate bombing. How can a two state solution work when one of the states sole aim is to eradicate the other. You cannot say that you don't support terrorism but support Hamas. Israel is the only country in the Middle East with any human rights record; Christians, Muslims and Jews, gay and straight, men, women and children all live together with rights. Gaza is a hell hole of their own making. No one in their right mind wants to see war. But Israel has no choice. You fail to note that the most humanitarian aid comes from Israel. You fail to note that the biggest and first hospital is Israeli and run by Jewish medical staff. It also strikes me that the start of this war, Hamas attacking Israel after kidnapping and murdering three school boys, also escapes all you "I don't support terrorism but I support Hamas" types. People are not fooled for one minute by your quasi intellectual claims. Your time would be better served criticising Tony Blair for his illegal war. Or worrying about the child abuse Palestinian children suffer at the hands of Hamas. The constant nit picking at Israel for defending herself sadly reveals who you really are. As for education, I have a Masters in Middle East politics, so I know of what I speak.
Naeem Ess, Israel has the right to defend her citizens from unceasing and indiscriminate bombing. How can a two state solution work when one of the states sole aim is to eradicate the other. You cannot say that you don't support terrorism but support Hamas. Israel is the only country in the Middle East with any human rights record; Christians, Muslims and Jews, gay and straight, men, women and children all live together with rights. Gaza is a hell hole of their own making. No one in their right mind wants to see war. But Israel has no choice. You fail to note that the most humanitarian aid comes from Israel. You fail to note that the biggest and first hospital is Israeli and run by Jewish medical staff. It also strikes me that the start of this war, Hamas attacking Israel after kidnapping and murdering three school boys, also escapes all you "I don't support terrorism but I support Hamas" types. People are not fooled for one minute by your quasi intellectual claims. Your time would be better served criticising Tony Blair for his illegal war. Or worrying about the child abuse Palestinian children suffer at the hands of Hamas. The constant nit picking at Israel for defending herself sadly reveals who you really are. As for education, I have a Masters in Middle East politics, so I know of what I speak. Melanie L.
  • Score: 5

10:08pm Wed 13 Aug 14

concerned British citizen says...

Bob Blackman ... not our idea of a decent wholesome representative of the citizens and good people of Harrow.

Just sorry the majority of Harrow are so blind to that fact.

When an MP is in the pockets of Harrow council and Harrow Council are continualy embroiled in back biting and in fighting...being in the pockets of Harrow Council does not a good politician make.
Bob Blackman ... not our idea of a decent wholesome representative of the citizens and good people of Harrow. Just sorry the majority of Harrow are so blind to that fact. When an MP is in the pockets of Harrow council and Harrow Council are continualy embroiled in back biting and in fighting...being in the pockets of Harrow Council does not a good politician make. concerned British citizen
  • Score: -1

1:50am Thu 14 Aug 14

Sonoo Malkani says...

Very disturbing to be bombarded with horrendous images of war-torn areas in different parts of the world,unfolding endlessly on television and read conflicting reports of the same ,which only compound the horror.It has become increasingly difficult to process conflicting reports which are often compelling and convincing.Each one tells it their own way.Therein lies the problem.The TRUTH lies buried under a huge pile of debris.Excavating it is a monumental task.Remaining objective is ever more difficult as passions flare.The comments above will bear this out.

It's really shocking that with all the technology and quantam leaps made by human beings we are still behaving in such a brutal,uncivilised manner,killing and destroying each other instead of making the world a better place for us all to enjoy.PEACE seems so elusive.

One wonders,has the human race gone mad or just regressed hopelessly to the bad old times when survival of the fittest was the norm?We need to pause and consider seriously where this violence is leading us to.Perhaps we could try NON-VIOLENCE and see if that stands a chance.No doubt,some of you might find that laughable or naive.Lasting solutions are desperately needed to end the suffering.

It deeply concerns me to see so many influential politicians and leaders keeping silent when atrocities on such a huge scale occur.What has happened recently in Gaza is undeniably outrageous.Their SILENCE is nothing short of dangerous.Many may mistake this as a sign of APPROVAL,thereby continuing to attack their opponents even more vigorously.

Strong leaders must have the courage to speak up and condemn the slaughter and destruction,on humanitarian grounds.It is just as important as sending aid,if not more.Otherwise,I fear we risk more radicalisation of young British Muslims.Our government needs to appreciate this right away and make their position crystal clear.We are a Peace-loving,caring nation.We do not condone mass killing.

That said,neither must one condone TERRORISM by ANY group.It is inexcusable and intolerable.Every country has the right to defend its people and keep them out of harm's way,as Israel has done.However,one cannot deny that their response has been totally disproportionate resulting in excessive killings of Palestinian civilians including children,women and elderly folk.

This is completely deplorable,especiall
y the targeting of UN shelters hospitals and schools.Israel's military expertise and prowess is undeniably far superior to that of their opponent so there is no excuse for what has resulted.Nobody is condoning what Hammas is engaged in either.Neither side is pure and blameless.They both need to take stock of what they are doing.

Israel has very powerful and influential allies.However, they risk alienating many countries at present by their actions which are seen to be outrageous.Many of my Jewish friends agree with me on this.Every period of truce announced brings a glimmer of hope that Peace may finally arrive in some guise in this war-torn region.Hostilities must cease for mediation to succeed.We must pray hard that wisdom dawns sooner rather than later.

I am no expert or historian nor am I a politician but simply a very concerned local citizen worried about the vehement reaction of some Harrovians.We cannot afford to lose our balance and start attacking one another here,verbally or otherwise.It makes no sense.

We must not allow our hard-won cohesion and community relations to be damaged or degenerate because of what is happening in Gaza, Iraq or Syria,Afghanistan or any other part of the world.Nor must we fall in the trap of taking sides in a manner which creates or promotes an atmosphere of hostility locally.We just cannot afford to fall out with each other in a borough as diverse as ours.It would be very foolish and counter-productive.I
n UNITY lies our strength.

In fact,I humbly appeal to all Harrovians to please calm down and stop raving and ranting about Bob Blackman's visit to Israel.
Instead. let us remember our sacred duty as citizens of this borough and of the human race to HELP PRESERVE & PROMOTE HARMONIOUS RELATIONS and try to concentrate our efforts on humanitarian works being conducted throughout the war-torn world we live in.

Be a peace-maker and a great Harrovian.God bless everybody.
Very disturbing to be bombarded with horrendous images of war-torn areas in different parts of the world,unfolding endlessly on television and read conflicting reports of the same ,which only compound the horror.It has become increasingly difficult to process conflicting reports which are often compelling and convincing.Each one tells it their own way.Therein lies the problem.The TRUTH lies buried under a huge pile of debris.Excavating it is a monumental task.Remaining objective is ever more difficult as passions flare.The comments above will bear this out. It's really shocking that with all the technology and quantam leaps made by human beings we are still behaving in such a brutal,uncivilised manner,killing and destroying each other instead of making the world a better place for us all to enjoy.PEACE seems so elusive. One wonders,has the human race gone mad or just regressed hopelessly to the bad old times when survival of the fittest was the norm?We need to pause and consider seriously where this violence is leading us to.Perhaps we could try NON-VIOLENCE and see if that stands a chance.No doubt,some of you might find that laughable or naive.Lasting solutions are desperately needed to end the suffering. It deeply concerns me to see so many influential politicians and leaders keeping silent when atrocities on such a huge scale occur.What has happened recently in Gaza is undeniably outrageous.Their SILENCE is nothing short of dangerous.Many may mistake this as a sign of APPROVAL,thereby continuing to attack their opponents even more vigorously. Strong leaders must have the courage to speak up and condemn the slaughter and destruction,on humanitarian grounds.It is just as important as sending aid,if not more.Otherwise,I fear we risk more radicalisation of young British Muslims.Our government needs to appreciate this right away and make their position crystal clear.We are a Peace-loving,caring nation.We do not condone mass killing. That said,neither must one condone TERRORISM by ANY group.It is inexcusable and intolerable.Every country has the right to defend its people and keep them out of harm's way,as Israel has done.However,one cannot deny that their response has been totally disproportionate resulting in excessive killings of Palestinian civilians including children,women and elderly folk. This is completely deplorable,especiall y the targeting of UN shelters hospitals and schools.Israel's military expertise and prowess is undeniably far superior to that of their opponent so there is no excuse for what has resulted.Nobody is condoning what Hammas is engaged in either.Neither side is pure and blameless.They both need to take stock of what they are doing. Israel has very powerful and influential allies.However, they risk alienating many countries at present by their actions which are seen to be outrageous.Many of my Jewish friends agree with me on this.Every period of truce announced brings a glimmer of hope that Peace may finally arrive in some guise in this war-torn region.Hostilities must cease for mediation to succeed.We must pray hard that wisdom dawns sooner rather than later. I am no expert or historian nor am I a politician but simply a very concerned local citizen worried about the vehement reaction of some Harrovians.We cannot afford to lose our balance and start attacking one another here,verbally or otherwise.It makes no sense. We must not allow our hard-won cohesion and community relations to be damaged or degenerate because of what is happening in Gaza, Iraq or Syria,Afghanistan or any other part of the world.Nor must we fall in the trap of taking sides in a manner which creates or promotes an atmosphere of hostility locally.We just cannot afford to fall out with each other in a borough as diverse as ours.It would be very foolish and counter-productive.I n UNITY lies our strength. In fact,I humbly appeal to all Harrovians to please calm down and stop raving and ranting about Bob Blackman's visit to Israel. Instead. let us remember our sacred duty as citizens of this borough and of the human race to HELP PRESERVE & PROMOTE HARMONIOUS RELATIONS and try to concentrate our efforts on humanitarian works being conducted throughout the war-torn world we live in. Be a peace-maker and a great Harrovian.God bless everybody. Sonoo Malkani
  • Score: -1

2:29pm Thu 14 Aug 14

allaboard says...

Define for me, if you please, "proportionate" response. rocket for rocket? Sounds reasonable. Hamas is launching its rockets indiscriminately at civilian population, Israel should retaliate to each rocket with one of its own straight into the centre of Gaza City. But if that was the case, there would have been a lot more than 1900 deaths and most of them would have really been civilian. Would that be proportionate or would you than scream that Israel is launching rockets at the heart of civilian areas on purpose rather than target militants?

Maybe death for death is proportionate? That would make it OK for Hamas to fire at Israel as much as they like so long as no one it killed. doesn't matter if they have to run for shelter every few minutes, no lives lost, no reason to retaliate. sort of a bomb placed in random areas of Harrow throughout the day, its fine if it blows up so long as no one is killed, sounds proportionate?

Are most deaths in Gaza of innocent Civilians? The BBC (hardly a network friendly to Israel) and The Washington Post think that most deaths were of militants and challenge the UN on their figures. Even the UN admits that in its figures they include all deaths during the conflict, including those executed by Hamas, those who died of natural causes and even those killed in domestic violence.
http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/world-middle-e
ast-28688179
Define for me, if you please, "proportionate" response. rocket for rocket? Sounds reasonable. Hamas is launching its rockets indiscriminately at civilian population, Israel should retaliate to each rocket with one of its own straight into the centre of Gaza City. But if that was the case, there would have been a lot more than 1900 deaths and most of them would have really been civilian. Would that be proportionate or would you than scream that Israel is launching rockets at the heart of civilian areas on purpose rather than target militants? Maybe death for death is proportionate? That would make it OK for Hamas to fire at Israel as much as they like so long as no one it killed. doesn't matter if they have to run for shelter every few minutes, no lives lost, no reason to retaliate. sort of a bomb placed in random areas of Harrow throughout the day, its fine if it blows up so long as no one is killed, sounds proportionate? Are most deaths in Gaza of innocent Civilians? The BBC (hardly a network friendly to Israel) and The Washington Post think that most deaths were of militants and challenge the UN on their figures. Even the UN admits that in its figures they include all deaths during the conflict, including those executed by Hamas, those who died of natural causes and even those killed in domestic violence. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/world-middle-e ast-28688179 allaboard
  • Score: 3

4:41pm Thu 14 Aug 14

jackdaw says...

Point scoring by people holding differing views is not helpful in this very complex situation. There is probably right and wrong on both sides. it is probably better to find area to comprise on to bring about a peaceful result.

There is a need for less talking and more listening. It was only a few years ago that there was a demonstration outside the mosque. I am sure the agitators and trouble makers haven't gone away and would love Harrow's citizens to tear each other to pieces verbally so they can step in and create havoc.

There has been a harmonious community in Harrow. This is surprising given the wide diversity of beliefs and views. Let Harrow remain a peaceful borough and an example to the world of how people can get along together.

Quote:
Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods
Point scoring by people holding differing views is not helpful in this very complex situation. There is probably right and wrong on both sides. it is probably better to find area to comprise on to bring about a peaceful result. There is a need for less talking and more listening. It was only a few years ago that there was a demonstration outside the mosque. I am sure the agitators and trouble makers haven't gone away and would love Harrow's citizens to tear each other to pieces verbally so they can step in and create havoc. There has been a harmonious community in Harrow. This is surprising given the wide diversity of beliefs and views. Let Harrow remain a peaceful borough and an example to the world of how people can get along together. Quote: Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods jackdaw
  • Score: 3

4:51pm Thu 14 Aug 14

jackdaw says...

Apologies for the typing error in the comment above. The word comprise should read compromise.
Apologies for the typing error in the comment above. The word comprise should read compromise. jackdaw
  • Score: 0

7:44pm Thu 14 Aug 14

NigelC1 says...

My real concern is not with the letter, but with the Harrow Times for making it their Letter of the Week. Why did they do this? It's not as if the letter is an intellectual masterpiece, or adds any new insight into the situation. It's simply one more anti-Israeli, therefore anti-semitic rant.

Therefore the reason must be that the letter's views coincide most closely with those of the publishers, and are seen as laudable. Which means that the paper has pro-Palestinian bias, rather than being balanced and fair.
My real concern is not with the letter, but with the Harrow Times for making it their Letter of the Week. Why did they do this? It's not as if the letter is an intellectual masterpiece, or adds any new insight into the situation. It's simply one more anti-Israeli, therefore anti-semitic rant. Therefore the reason must be that the letter's views coincide most closely with those of the publishers, and are seen as laudable. Which means that the paper has pro-Palestinian bias, rather than being balanced and fair. NigelC1
  • Score: 4

9:50pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Naeem Ess says...

Melanie L

So now I'm a supporter of Hamas? Please tell me where in my post I expressed support for Hamas. I wrote "No one is saying Hamas haven't committed terrorist acts" - how is that expressing support?
I am merely opposing Israel's wanton slaughter of civilians. If that makes me a Hamas supporter, then Hamas has hundreds of thousands of supporters in this country.

You wrote: "Israel is the only country in the Middle East with any human rights record" - that's like only looking at the rights enjoyed by whites under apartheid S. Africa and saying "what's the problem?"

The thousands of Palestinians (including numerous children) held year after year in "administrative detention" without charge or trial have no rights. The Christian farmers of the "Tent of Nations" community whose land is being taken bit by bit by settlers (with the assistance of the Israeli army) have no rights. The Bedouins of the Negev whose homes are destroyed again and again have no rights. The thousands of African asylum seekers held in a prison in the Negev desert indefinitely have no rights. Mordechai Vanunu who spent almost 20 years in jail simply for telling the world that Israel had nukes still has no rights because his life is made a living hell by the restrictions placed upon him. Those brave Israeli conscientious objectors who are jailed again and again have no rights.

Without a doubt, the Palestinian Authority and Hamas government of the Gaza strip also have shocking human rights records. I am not trying to deny that. However, using their rights record to justify the slaughter carried out by the IDF is utterly immoral and in the end self-defeating because Hamas could simply use the same argument to attack Israel. For the record Peter Tatchell, who has been bitterly critical of human rights abuses committed by Palestinian groups, has also been utterly scathing of Israel's attempts to "pinkwash" its human rights record.

As for Israeli aid for Palestinians - that's a sick joke. So, the state of Israel embarks on massive land grabs, steals natural resources such as water, destroys Palestinian infrastructure with a military campaign every few years, withholds tax revenues, places Gaza under siege for years and then gives a bit back in aid? Forgive me for not being impressed.

The fact is that it suits the Israeli government to paint Hamas (and Palestinians generally) as a group that is composed solely of psychopathic fundamentalists hell-bent on the destruction of Israel because that means they don't have to deal with them. The reality (as Prof Avi Shlaim notes) is much more nuanced and many Hamas leaders are pragmatic and willing to negotiate.

It's worth noting that the IRA did not recognize the existence of Northern Ireland (and still don't) but a way was found to negotiate once the political will was there. Sadly, Netanyahu does not have the will to seriously commit to peace as he's been given a blank cheque by the US and many other western powers to do what he wants.
Melanie L So now I'm a supporter of Hamas? Please tell me where in my post I expressed support for Hamas. I wrote "No one is saying Hamas haven't committed terrorist acts" - how is that expressing support? I am merely opposing Israel's wanton slaughter of civilians. If that makes me a Hamas supporter, then Hamas has hundreds of thousands of supporters in this country. You wrote: "Israel is the only country in the Middle East with any human rights record" - that's like only looking at the rights enjoyed by whites under apartheid S. Africa and saying "what's the problem?" The thousands of Palestinians (including numerous children) held year after year in "administrative detention" without charge or trial have no rights. The Christian farmers of the "Tent of Nations" community whose land is being taken bit by bit by settlers (with the assistance of the Israeli army) have no rights. The Bedouins of the Negev whose homes are destroyed again and again have no rights. The thousands of African asylum seekers held in a prison in the Negev desert indefinitely have no rights. Mordechai Vanunu who spent almost 20 years in jail simply for telling the world that Israel had nukes still has no rights because his life is made a living hell by the restrictions placed upon him. Those brave Israeli conscientious objectors who are jailed again and again have no rights. Without a doubt, the Palestinian Authority and Hamas government of the Gaza strip also have shocking human rights records. I am not trying to deny that. However, using their rights record to justify the slaughter carried out by the IDF is utterly immoral and in the end self-defeating because Hamas could simply use the same argument to attack Israel. For the record Peter Tatchell, who has been bitterly critical of human rights abuses committed by Palestinian groups, has also been utterly scathing of Israel's attempts to "pinkwash" its human rights record. As for Israeli aid for Palestinians - that's a sick joke. So, the state of Israel embarks on massive land grabs, steals natural resources such as water, destroys Palestinian infrastructure with a military campaign every few years, withholds tax revenues, places Gaza under siege for years and then gives a bit back in aid? Forgive me for not being impressed. The fact is that it suits the Israeli government to paint Hamas (and Palestinians generally) as a group that is composed solely of psychopathic fundamentalists hell-bent on the destruction of Israel because that means they don't have to deal with them. The reality (as Prof Avi Shlaim notes) is much more nuanced and many Hamas leaders are pragmatic and willing to negotiate. It's worth noting that the IRA did not recognize the existence of Northern Ireland (and still don't) but a way was found to negotiate once the political will was there. Sadly, Netanyahu does not have the will to seriously commit to peace as he's been given a blank cheque by the US and many other western powers to do what he wants. Naeem Ess
  • Score: -2

12:31am Sat 16 Aug 14

A.Grant says...

Anthony G

All praise to Bob Blackman for visiting Israel to see at first hand what the citizens have to endure. There are too many armchair critics of the State of Israel who rely on the biased media whose reporters and camera men are censored by the hamas terrorists in Gaza for propaganda purposes. The hamas terrorists do not wear uniform therefore those that are killed are deemed citizens. Unfortunately there is too much blinkardness and naivity and it is at times like this that antisemites seize the opportunity to crawl out of their rat holes. People must get it into their heads that hamas terrorists equals Isis terrorists and other like terrorist groups whose aim is to kill Jews, Christians and other non muslims. No other country would put up with rockets being constantly fired on their citizens or tunnels under its land for the purpose of attacking citizens and Israel has the right and duty to defend its citizens. Hamas terrorists by their methods and tactics are responsible for the deaths of Palestinian citizens.
Anthony G All praise to Bob Blackman for visiting Israel to see at first hand what the citizens have to endure. There are too many armchair critics of the State of Israel who rely on the biased media whose reporters and camera men are censored by the hamas terrorists in Gaza for propaganda purposes. The hamas terrorists do not wear uniform therefore those that are killed are deemed citizens. Unfortunately there is too much blinkardness and naivity and it is at times like this that antisemites seize the opportunity to crawl out of their rat holes. People must get it into their heads that hamas terrorists equals Isis terrorists and other like terrorist groups whose aim is to kill Jews, Christians and other non muslims. No other country would put up with rockets being constantly fired on their citizens or tunnels under its land for the purpose of attacking citizens and Israel has the right and duty to defend its citizens. Hamas terrorists by their methods and tactics are responsible for the deaths of Palestinian citizens. A.Grant
  • Score: 2

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