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Protesters expected outside Harrow Central Mosque


HARROW is bracing itself for another day of protests on its streets as anti-Islam group prepares to demonstrate outside the borough's largest mosque.

Members of Stop the Islamisation of Europe (SIOE) are planning to come to the borough this afternoon to protest outside Harrow Central Mosque.

The islamophobic organisation says it wants to “prevent Islam becoming a dominant political force in Europe” and is targeting the Station Road mosque because it claims it will be used as a “staging post for jihadists”.

Any protesters who turn up are likely to face a counter-demonstration being organised by Unite Aganist Fascism (UAF), in a potential re-run of September 11, when SIOE first tried to protest outside the mosque and were chased away by an angry mob which had gathered in the streets of Wealdstone.

Home Secretary Alan Johnson joined community leaders in issuing a plea to Harrow residents to stay away from the mosque today to avoid any violence flaring up.

He said: “The message is you don't need to turn up in order to safeguard the right for people to go about their business and to go to prayer at the mosque.

“Police will be there to do that. You don't need to turn up to demonstrate against a demonstration.”

SIOE has been making pleas via its website for people of all faiths and nationalities to turn up to the protest, but they were pointedly shunned by members of Harrow's Jewish community this week.

Top Rabbis from Northwood and Pinner Liberal Synagogue, Middlesex New Synagogue, Harrow and Wembley Progressive Synagogue, and Kol Chai Hatch End Jewish Community issued a letter saying: “As leaders of the Jewish community in Harrow, we are writing to express our support for our Muslim friends and neighbours, especially those at Harrow Central Mosque, who are under attack from those whose only purpose is to spread hatred and fear.

“We share the desire of the Muslim community of Harrow to respect our mutual traditions, to learn from each other's cultures and ways of life, and to live together in peace.”

Despite calls from the mosque for people to stay away today, Labour politicians from the council have said they plan to attend the UAF rally but will not condone any violence or anti-social behaviour.

However, their stands drew criticism from Councillor Susan Hall, deputy leader of the council, who accused Labour of “grandstanding”, and said by turning up to the protest they could be doing more harm than good.

Police are bracing themselves for similar scenes to last time, when they made ten arrests – mostly for weapons possession – are came under attack from anti-fascist protesters.

A section 60 stop and search order is in place allowing police to search people in the area without needing a specific reason, with the intention of preventing violence breaking out.

You can track the progress of the mosque protests by logging on to www.harrowtimes.co.uk


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EWX, East of London says...
8:19am Sun 13 Dec 09

Good luck to the SIOE in their legal rally this afternoon, in our free country, on a matter of grave concern.

The Blind Watchmaker, harrow weald says...
9:54am Sun 13 Dec 09

I am absolutely disgusted by the Harrow Times and the Harrow Council for their blind sighted and disgracefully ignorant bias against the SIOE and other prominent factions such as the EDL, which oppose Islam and their brain dead lap dogs - the deluded Unite Against Fascism. The UAF would do well to look up the definition of Fascism to see that ironically it applies to them and the religion they support more succinctly than any other word in the dictionary.

This article states that the SIOE were chased away by “an angry mob”, why don’t you just state the facts instead of failing to be specific when specifics are required. Either you want to twist the truth or you’re pussyfooting around the truth in order to avoid provocation. The fact is that this “angry mob” were MUSLIMS, the very much misguided UAF and NOBODY else. They were the ones who caused all the trouble that occurred on the day. Just go back and take a look at the media footage as well as the amateur footage available on youtube and see for yourself.

As a resident of Harrow I was there on the day of the first protest, I witnessed first hand with my own eyes what happened, so I think I’m more than qualified to state what ACTUALLY happened. What sickened me more than anything was the way in which the Media in general failed to specify exactly who was responsible for all the trouble on the day. This article is a perfect example of this.

I had to take a step back and pinch myself to believe that what I was witnessing was actually real. The street outside the mosque was blocked off by Muslims raising their fists in the air chanting “Allah Akbar, Allah Akbar” with a clear tone of venom and violent intent in their demeanour. The police were clearly overwhelmed and had no control of the situation. The town was at the mercy of the violent and irrational Muslims and their hangers on/lap dogs on that day and we were powerless to do anything about it.

I hope the section 60 is enforced well today. A number of dangerous items were found on members of the Muslims and the UAF on September 11th. Clearly they feel justified to use violence because some people oppose their sacred religion.

The very religion that brought the two towers crashing to the ground on this day in 2001 now had a chokehold on my town in 2009, and it’s people showed no sign of respect for the memory of what occurred either.

SIOE will be supported by members of the EDL today. They do not simply stand in protest of claims of jihadsim against the harrow mosque, they stand in protest against the building of more mosques in this country and the general uprising of Islam in this country and the world. Clearly Islam is the most volatile religion of our time and must be exposed for the true evil that it is.

The SIOE have ALWAYS stated that they intend to hold a PEACEFUL protest outside Harrow Mosque. If they can’t even have their right to freedom of speech again today, then that in itself should serve with great clarity the true implications of what the future holds should the Islamic uprising within our species be allowed to continue.

Based on the comments of the Harrow Times and the Harrow Council, it is worryingly clear that not enough people have woken up to the reality of what’s going on yet. That’s why these protests must take place in order to awaken those who are still blind to what’s going on and what Islam’s long term global intentions are.

They are the present day stealth Nazi regime; protected under the illusionary shield of religion. They will stop at nothing until their hunger for global domination is fulfilled. I hope enough people take note of the events which take place today.

Dev2, Harrow says...
10:01am Sun 13 Dec 09

Who was in Copenhagen!!!

jackdaw, Harrow says...
10:32am Sun 13 Dec 09

As a resident, I wish to say a big thank you to the police for arranging a section 60 order. The list of items confiscated by the police at the September rally shows this is necessary.

Mischief-making agent provocateurs leading testosterone-fuelled minors into actions they will regret can stay away. This applies to all of the three main groups demonstrating

You have a distorted idea of pleasure disrupting community relations and attacking the police while they uphold the law.

You have a day out promoting violence and Harrow pays the price in more ways than one.

I hope the heavens open and there is an almighty downpour to damp down those hot, distorted, emotional
reactions.

This is one of the times I wish the local transport system to be as inefficient as possible.

Harrow neither needs you or wants you. We wish you to go home or better still do not make the journey here in the first

The Blind Watchmaker, harrow weald says...
10:45am Sun 13 Dec 09

jackdaw, i'm a resident of Harrow and i'll be attending the protest in support of the sioe. I don't know what part of Harrow you live in but have you seen the state of the place lately?

Can you imagine what the traffic will be like when that eye sore opens? It will be gridlocked! It pretty much is now as it is. Clearly harrow is already over populated with too many immigrants claiming benefits, now we've got this giant elephant cutting through the skyline.

If you think the protest today is more of a problem than the actual problems in harrow then you need to open your eyes.

...?..., London says...
12:49pm Sun 13 Dec 09

SIOE and EDL have a problem with Islam, and that couldn't be any clearer. Some of the comments above also show this, and that is ridiculous. Britain is a multi-cultural society, which claims to be a democratic society! Freedom of expressing one's belief and culture is acceptable in this society, and it's about time some narrow minded people come to terms with this. I totally am for the prevention of extremists in my society, and am in total support to help prevent them from spreading their vile messages, but Muslims and Islam cannot be blamed for the actions of what extremists do. SIOE and EDL are also extremists in their views, by wanting to completely erradicate Islam. And stupid people who associate Muslims and immigration need to understand that ALL people of an ethnic minority who immigrate into this country are not Muslims. That's a thick statement to make! Many White people have converted to Islam, so what do you want them to do? Leave THEIR country as well? To call the Muslim's place of prayer a "eye sore" is indeed prejudice of some sort, and should not be condoned. It's sickening talks like this that produce unease and tension between different communities. How s the building an "eye sore"? It's disrespectful, and bound to cause the Muslim community hurt and lift tension. Then you'd call them a "terrorist" if they show anger towards these comments!! It's like because they are Muslims, they are not allowed to be angry, because of labelling. They are HUMAN!!! They do have emotions. Thick people with such comments really are so irritating! If you have a problem with Muslims and Islam, state it!! Don't beat around the bush and claim you are not prejudice by bringing lame excuses into it such as immigration problems!!! That isn't based on Muslims only! What about the Jewish, Hindu's, Buddhists, who are also immigrating? I'm assuming they won't be a problem though.. because they are not Muslim right?

Muslims will fight back to racist people, and by all means they should!!! Well done to UAF for supporting them!!

Habib, Harrow says...
1:29pm Sun 13 Dec 09

I think the local and overall community is a law abiding and peaceful one.

The Muslim minority overall are I believe loyal citizens , who work and contribute to the country as you may do.

Its not right to have this pejudice .As citizens we have a right to attend places of worship.

We respect your right to protest.But we can live if peace if we respect and accept each other.

...?..., London says...
2:09pm Sun 13 Dec 09

No, Harrow is in dire need of help because of people like YOU around. So narrow minded and illiterate!!! What do you know of Islam? How many Muslims are there in Britain alone? You know nothing to be making such comments, and it's your type of comments which fuel negative reactions. It's because of people like you with extreme views that communities have difficulties in holding a strong relationship woth one another. If there were no difference, would you not think the millions of Muslims around you would have blown up more than half the population worldwide by now?! I think you need to look up the terms 'extremist' and 'moderate' in a dictionary. You obviously do not understand the terms to think there are no difference between them. Your views alone aren't sufficient enough to label the majority of peace loving Muslims as extremists. You need facts. If you know what that is!!

The Blind Watchmaker, harrow weald says...
2:18pm Sun 13 Dec 09

Oh you're the same poster who made the misguided assumption that I was referring to muslims when I was referring to immigrants. I was actually referring to immigrants as a seperate issue. Clearly you couldn't grasp that and just jumped in with what you thought you read. Come back when you can leard to read, idiot.

SuperStudent18, Harrow says...
2:20pm Sun 13 Dec 09

The Blind Watchmaker - Grow a pair would you, and quit with your iconoclastic and bigoted posts?
If your scared of terrorists, and those that perpetrated 9/11 - go to SAUDI ARABIA - where MOST of the hijackers and bombers originate from!
But you wouldnt, would you...? It's not in your interests.

This protest is just an excuse to cause trouble.
The mosque has no previous history of any trouble, any extremism, and radicalization, and has integrated itself into the community with no objections over many many years.

The people, as I have written in an earlier post, are ironically from OUTSIDE of Harrow and the majority speak NOT for any peace-loving Harrovians.

The Blind Watchmaker, harrow weald says...
2:23pm Sun 13 Dec 09

Can't you see that it is the essence of Religion that is the problem!? Religion is the cancer of mankind, a by-product of our so called intelligence.

Islam just so happens to be the most volatile and prominant religion at this current time and it must be controlled before it takes an even greater chokehold on our species.

SuperStudent18, Harrow says...
2:25pm Sun 13 Dec 09

The Blind Watchmaker:
"That’s why these protests must take place in order to awaken those who are still blind to what’s going on and what Islam’s long term global intentions are.

They are the present day stealth Nazi regime; protected under the illusionary shield of religion. They will stop at nothing until their hunger for global domination is fulfilled. I hope enough people take note of the events which take place today."

I actually laughed when I saw this.
DO you HONESTLY believe this? It must be some sort of a wind-up...
Wheres your evidence for any of this? Have you ever read any sort of Islamic text (keeping your eyes open, and viewing the context in which it was read).
Wow, these protesters really are more foolish than I thought...

And you call the EDL and SIOE "prominent" when they are really just offshoots of the fascist BNP.
I'm a Muslim - I'm very happy to call myself British and Muslim.

I'm proud of this country, and the generous, forbearing Brits that have welcomed immigrants like my father who came here to WORK. Not to cause trouble.

And myself, I want to contribute to this country, and bring peace to everyone. I am a Muslim? Am I extreme?

You really need to stop generalizing just because a tiny minority might be extreme, most BRITISH Muslims are NOT - we just want to earn a wage for our families to be sustained from. The mosque is just a place of worship - nothing more - nothing sinister - nothing extreme.

Please do come along to any of the sermons if you doubt it.

The Blind Watchmaker, harrow weald says...
2:28pm Sun 13 Dec 09

I clearly stated above that the problem is Religion.

The SIOE is in no way affiliated or associated with the BNP. The BNP are racist idiots. The SIOE are NOT racist.

SuperStudent18, Harrow says...
2:32pm Sun 13 Dec 09

So are those members of the SIOE and EDL that hodl CLEAR racist views, including those caught on camera doing Nazi salutes and telling Muslims to 'eff off home' not racist?
My goodness me, what a confused soul you are.

And you have the nerve to call Islam a "Nazi regime".
Yes, just as there are a few idiots within the Islamic religion who are extreme, so too I guess you would argue that those aforementioned members of the EDL and SIOE holding Nazi salutes an extreme minority?

Am I making my point clearer now?

OrdinariJoe, Harrow says...
2:38pm Sun 13 Dec 09

Why do Muslims get so offended by a protest against their religion?

In Britain for centuries British people have taken to the streets to protest against Christianity and the Christian people of Britian have tolerated it.

Yet when it's Muslims it's all out war and accusations are bandied around about racism. How can protesting against Islam be racist? Islam is NOT a race.

British people of all races protest against Islam. Why? Because Islam scares them. They see pictures beamed across the world of beheadings, women being flogged, hands being cut off, terrorists blowing up people in undergrounds and crashing planes into buildings. Is it any surprise that their is a wave of Islamaphobia.

I think it's about time, Muslims became more tolerant. It's a democratic right in Britain to protest against something you don't like.

SuperStudent18, Harrow says...
2:38pm Sun 13 Dec 09

'The Blind Watchmaker' - clearly you are a promoter of the SIOE.
Here you are banding about one of their slogans:

"There is no differentiation between that of a moderate muslim and that of an extremist muslim. Anyone who aligns themselves with Islam is by definition an extremist. Islam is an extremist cult."

Sorry mate, but you've been debunked. Have you ever done any research on Islam? Read any Islamic text?
You wouldn't have read this then:

"Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. God does not love transgressors." .


Islam is not a pacifist religion, it does not advocate for Muslims to lie down and be oppressed.
BUT you NEVER fight non-combatants. These include, women, children, OAPs, ANYONE NOT in the battle.
Make sense?

The Blind Watchmaker, harrow weald says...
2:44pm Sun 13 Dec 09

SuperStudent18 wrote:
So are those members of the SIOE and EDL that hodl CLEAR racist views, including those caught on camera doing Nazi salutes and telling Muslims to 'eff off home' not racist? My goodness me, what a confused soul you are. And you have the nerve to call Islam a "Nazi regime". Yes, just as there are a few idiots within the Islamic religion who are extreme, so too I guess you would argue that those aforementioned members of the EDL and SIOE holding Nazi salutes an extreme minority? Am I making my point clearer now?
I don't deny that there have been people caught doing such disgraceful things as making nazi salutes. The difference is that the very essence of Islam is corrupt as is the root core of all religion, whereas the administration and authoritarian representation of the SIOE are not racist and do not tolerate racism.

You can't be a moderate muslim if you align yourself with a religion that is extremist right down its very core.

That's the difference.

SuperStudent18, Harrow says...
2:45pm Sun 13 Dec 09

OrdinaryJoe - you're right there my friend. Muslims SHOULD be more tolerant. I'm at home, I'm not a part of the UAF anti-fascist protests - i do believe the SIOE have a right - as much as they are wrong about the mosque becoming a hub for extremism (which is an unfounded and groundless accusation with the intent on provokation), I'm fine with protests, sure.

But people don't know or are intentionally ignoring what the TRUE Islam is. And Joe, that isn't " beheadings, women being flogged, hands being cut off, terrorists blowing up people in undergrounds and crashing planes into buildings."

I criticize Muslims before I criticize the protesters. Supposed Islamic countries are not 'Islamic Republics' promoting or promulgating Islamic ideals. They are well wide of the mark.
I'm against the SIOE because they tar ALL Muslims with the same brush.
They don't know me. Even though I am a Muslim, look at the values, ideals and ethics that I follow, and then tell me I'm extreme. Its a fatuous claim.

The Blind Watchmaker, harrow weald says...
2:46pm Sun 13 Dec 09

SuperStudent you make far too many assumptions and that is your downfall I'm afraid.

I'm not a promoter of the SIOE. I am simply against religion as I believe it is a virus that corrupts the human mind.

OrdinariJoe, Harrow says...
2:48pm Sun 13 Dec 09

Super Student, let me ask you a question if I may;

Do you believe in and follow Muhammed?

OrdinariJoe, Harrow says...
2:53pm Sun 13 Dec 09

Blind Watchmaker;

There is nothing wrong with religion per se, it's the evil people that corrupt it.

A belief in a supreme being and guidance through life by following the universal positive elements of a religion (ie peace, love, acceptance, understanding) are not a bad thing.

The Blind Watchmaker, harrow weald says...
2:57pm Sun 13 Dec 09

One can have moral attributes without religion joe.

OrdinariJoe, Harrow says...
3:00pm Sun 13 Dec 09

Blind Watchmaker

Agreed.

But religion isn't wrong for introducing morals is it?

SuperStudent18, Harrow says...
3:03pm Sun 13 Dec 09

I do follow the Prophet Muhammad (SAW). Whats your next move? That he was a paedophile? We have many sources that refute the claim that he had sex with an under-age, and I'm willing to support these reliable sources.
Next? That he was a war monger?
Okay, well let me refer you to a certain Mahatma Gandhi, who had this to say about the spread of Islam:

"I became more than convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to this friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission."

razmataz, says...
3:03pm Sun 13 Dec 09

Moderator: Please do not remove.

After reading filithy messages by your dear readers it has provoked me to type this message. Prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was a mercy upon mankind and God almighty praised him in numerous places in the Glorious quran as well as in the BIBLE. What filth you (and you know who you are) has spread about Islam and Prophet Muhammad is disgusting!!

ISLAM means peace and is the only and I mean only religion to accept all faiths we HIGHLY respect all prophets of esteemed greatness of before prophet Muhammad which include JESUS , MOSES, DAVID. ABRAHAM ETC to name but a few . Have you seen any religion on this planet that accept all faiths except ISLAM??? I don’t think so. Why do over 4 million people go on HAJJ? Because to follow the call of ABRAHAM (PEACE BE UPON HIM) as he was instructed by GOD almighty to call people for the annual pilgrimage which at the time were a mere handful of people and NOW millions and millions of people gather to show UNITY. I challenge you to show me in your religion a similar concept.

The problem you are having is the building of the mosque. Which GOD willing will continue to build until it is finished! If the highest of authorities have granted planning permission to erect the mosque who are you to interfere. What have muslims done to upset you?? ISLAM is a religion of peace. Don’t mix religion with politics.

Whatever filth you have spread about our beloved prophet Muhammad I challenge to bring evidences from the quran, bible, torah etc

We are living in a multi-faith society and we should leave it at that and we are thankful to the local authorities for that. If we have no problem against you what problems you have against us!

UPDATE I have just read the news by the editors that the protest has been called off so there you go!!

The Blind Watchmaker, harrow weald says...
3:04pm Sun 13 Dec 09

If a person requires religion to attain moral values then they've failed to grasp the value of life.

Our species created religion as a consequnce of our intelligence which transcends all other known life in the universe.

SuperStudent18, Harrow says...
3:07pm Sun 13 Dec 09

I think we have to agree to disagree on the 'creation' of religion and the 'value of life'.
I respect your position as an atheist, why can't you accept the Muslim position?

OrdinariJoe, Harrow says...
3:08pm Sun 13 Dec 09

razmataz - you need to be more tolerant.

Superstudent18 - a bit presumptious on your part. I was merely going to ask you why you follow and believe in Mohammed?

Blind Watchmaker - pre-religion (in particular Christianity) mankind had very low morals. So low they thought it fit to take the family to watch Lions mauling other humans to death. It's because of religion that you are living at the level you are today. Religion brought order to chaos and morals to mankind.

The Blind Watchmaker, harrow weald says...
3:09pm Sun 13 Dec 09

I find it both funny and sad how muslims feel the need to say peace be upon him every time they mention muhammed.

Why would you wish peace upon a man who was clearly a paedophile? How can you even allow yourself to align with a religion that endorses sex with children?!

I'll tell you why; it's because you've been brainwashed since the day you were born. You were victim to the stealth brainwashing of your parents and family. Now your mindset knows nothing else, you're shackled to what you've been brainwashed with and you can't see beyond it.

I feel sorry for people like you I really do.

OrdinariJoe, Harrow says...
3:13pm Sun 13 Dec 09

Blind Watchmaker

I feel sorry for people like you. Imagine going through this earth not believing there was a point to it all.

Imagine drawing your last breath and thinking there's nothing else.

Imagine being so ignorant that you believe something can come from nothing - yet science proves it's impossible that something can come from nothing.

I do pity you and I will pray for your lost soul at Church.

The Blind Watchmaker, harrow weald says...
3:14pm Sun 13 Dec 09

OrdinariJoe wrote:
razmataz - you need to be more tolerant. Superstudent18 - a bit presumptious on your part. I was merely going to ask you why you follow and believe in Mohammed? Blind Watchmaker - pre-religion (in particular Christianity) mankind had very low morals. So low they thought it fit to take the family to watch Lions mauling other humans to death. It's because of religion that you are living at the level you are today. Religion brought order to chaos and morals to mankind.
I COMPLETELY disagree with you. Our species has attained the morals we have today through our mental evolution.

If religion puts us at a supposed level of morality that we live in today then why is it that the most islamic countries in the world appear to have no morals whatsoever?

Religion brought order to chaos?! Have you been drinking?

The Blind Watchmaker, harrow weald says...
3:17pm Sun 13 Dec 09

Oh it's all become clear now Joe, you're a man of the church. Another infected mind who is shackled to his brainwashed beliefs.

I find it funny how all religious people seem to think they transcend all perceptions that are different from theirs.

It's pointless having this deliberation if it's going to be filled with closed-minded religious people.

Go and read the most logical and rational bible in the world - The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins.

SuperStudent18, Harrow says...
3:18pm Sun 13 Dec 09

Yeah, but some people feel sorry for YOU, Blind Watchman.
Not only do we abhor paedophilia (of which the Prophet certainly was NOT), we also have high moral standards including the fact that we are not even allowed to flick a fly off of ourselves if it causes the insect pain or to kill it.
This is the Islam you don't hear about.
I was 'brainwashed form birth' was I?
Funny that, I DID NOT BELIEVE IN GOD, until I did some more research on Islam.
You are not always right I'm afraid.
Apologies for misconstruing your question, OrdinariJoe, I am at an understandably sensitive moment here.

I am trying to maintain the morals and ethics that Islam advises me to keep. I merely want to correct you on your factual inaccuracies.
The Prophet was not a paedophile.
This may be hard to believe, but not all Muslims are hellbent on death and destruction.
Honestly - do you believe that?

OrdinariJoe, Harrow says...
3:19pm Sun 13 Dec 09

Yes a mental evolution that was encouraged and structured by religion.

Religion introduced the first languages, first laws, first education systems.

You are wrong to say Islamic countries have NO morals. Some of the people in those countries have NO morals. Just as some atheists in this country have NO morals.

If your argument is that morals have come about because of "mental evolution" (a fraudian slip if ever I heard one) then why have some amazingly intellegent people got no morals.

All I am saying is religions introduced morals and brought order to the chaos of life.

OrdinariJoe, Harrow says...
3:21pm Sun 13 Dec 09

Blind Watchmaker

You sure are blind. Did you read The God Delusion in braille. LOL

I suppose you believe the Da Vinci code as well. LOL

I pity you my friend, I will pray for you but meantime I apologise for laughing at you - I just can't help it.

Richard Dawkins! LOL

The Blind Watchmaker, harrow weald says...
3:25pm Sun 13 Dec 09

Joe you have revealed yourself to be shackled to your religion. The da vinci code is fiction. The god delusion is more logical than any religious scripture any man has ever scribed. Go and read it one day.

OrdinariJoe, Harrow says...
3:26pm Sun 13 Dec 09

superstudent18

For the record:

I never even mentioned that Mohammed was a paedophile, but you did.

I never said that all muslims were hellbent on causing death and destruction.
You really ought to read my posts more carefully and STOP putting words in my mouth.

The Blind Watchmaker, harrow weald says...
3:28pm Sun 13 Dec 09

Joe i think you should go and get ready for church now. God won't be happy if you neglect him.

OrdinariJoe, Harrow says...
3:29pm Sun 13 Dec 09

Blind Watchmaker

And you have revealed yourself as a Dawkins dumb little pup.

I will pray for you.

OrdinariJoe, Harrow says...
3:32pm Sun 13 Dec 09

Blind Watchmaker

I am going to church this evening.
And I will pray for you.

The Blind Watchmaker, harrow weald says...
3:34pm Sun 13 Dec 09

You pretty much revealed why religion is such a saleable product in one your previous posts.

You can't stand the fact that you're mortal and that when you die that's it, it's game over for you.

Thats exactly why humans (the most superior intelligence on this planet) created religion to put the harsh reality of this life into some sort of perspective in an attempt to soften the blow of the reality that faces all of us when we die.

I feel sorry for you because you can't make peace with the true nature of life. You're not immortal joe, when you die you will cease. Learn to accept that and grow up.

...?..., London says...
3:34pm Sun 13 Dec 09

The Blind Watchmaker: I think you'd find that I did not refer to you when I made the statement of people associating Muslims to immigrants, so perhaps it is you who is the idiot?? - Don't tell people to "learn to read" when you clearly haven't learnt so yourself! You obviously haven't been taught to respect other people's beliefs, like our religion, ISLAM, teaches us. There really is no point in having a calm and healthy debate with you, as quite clearly, all you will do is hail abuse at our religion and what we believe. Perhaps that's what you have been taught??? I don't know.. My religion - the "non-peaceful" Islam - teaches me otherwise.

The Blind Watchmaker, harrow weald says...
3:38pm Sun 13 Dec 09

I have not hailed abuse at you or your religion, I have merely stated the facts.

OrdinariJoe, Harrow says...
3:41pm Sun 13 Dec 09

Blind Watchmaker

Facts? Was it your "mental evolution" that helped you establish your "facts". LOL

razmataz, says...
3:43pm Sun 13 Dec 09

Tell me whos creating more pedophiles in this world us as muslims or your priests (no offence but its a fact and I am sorry).You have not provided any references!!! to support your arguement. We base our argument on evidence without that we have to refute it! BLIND MAN MAKER I am ready for an open debate. You are definitley blind! You have been brainwashed by the media and those against ISLAM! the religion of peace and tolerance

SuperStudent18, Harrow says...
3:45pm Sun 13 Dec 09

OrdinariJoe - I dont think Blind Watchman is worth it - he really IS blind!

OrdinariJoe, Harrow says...
3:49pm Sun 13 Dec 09

razmataz

More atheists are paedophiles - that's a fact.

OrdinariJoe, Harrow says...
3:51pm Sun 13 Dec 09

The Blind Watchmaker wrote:
Death is coming for you joe. I assume you're ready for it seeing as you've drowned yourself in the illusion that you're going to heaven to sit upon soft white clouds and have tea with jesus.
Showing your ignorance of religion yet again.

Wish you would get some facts out, instead of making it all up like Richard Dawkins/Dan Brown fashion.

I will pray for you that you will emerge from your ignorance someday.

...?..., London says...
3:52pm Sun 13 Dec 09

Stating the facts are much different than stating, and I quote "Mohammed was a paedophile and that is a FACT", "Anyone who aligns themselves with Islam is by definition an extremist", "...when that eye sore opens", "Come back when you can leard to read, idiot", "Another infected mind who is shackled to his brainwashed beliefs", ... These were YOUR words. These are not only offensive to all religions that you mentioned, but they also show how disrespectful you are. You live in a society where vast majority of the population follow some sort of religion. To give your opinion about religion is one thing. To state that people are infected, extremists and so forth are downright rude. You know no facts!! Your statements are just your own perspectives on religion.

SuperStudent18, Harrow says...
3:53pm Sun 13 Dec 09

Blind Watchmaker - if you assert yourself with even half of the morals of the religious peoples in the world, then you'd be a better person.
All this negativity, all this criticism, it really doesn't help anybody.
Why are you not amongst the '18 men and one woman' (as reported by THIS website) SIOE supporters?

OrdinariJoe, Harrow says...
3:56pm Sun 13 Dec 09

SuperStudent18 wrote:
Blind Watchmaker - if you assert yourself with even half of the morals of the religious peoples in the world, then you'd be a better person. All this negativity, all this criticism, it really doesn't help anybody. Why are you not amongst the '18 men and one woman' (as reported by THIS website) SIOE supporters?
He's not protesting because his "mental evolution" tells him to stay at home and use his "delusional facts" to abuse people.

Why does he do this, because he obviously lacks the courage to back up what he's saying. He's a keyboard protester - the kid of little englander who doesn't see beyond his own garden gate.

Pray for him.

...?..., London says...
3:56pm Sun 13 Dec 09

Oh.. I see another "you're going to heaven to sit upon soft white clouds and have tea with jesus."

Again, rude!! You know how much the Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) means to Christians and Muslims. Yet you use this to mock the religion. Have you not been taught to respect others? Seriously?! It's quite worrying that people like you walk around freely thinking it is ok to be so ignorant. Islam, and ALL other religions teaches to keep your thoughts to yourself if they will hurt others - what were you taught? TO say them anyway because of "freedom of speech"!!!

SuperStudent18, Harrow says...
3:58pm Sun 13 Dec 09

...?... - let it go, he's been a bit quiet for a little while, perhaps he's realised just how foolish he looked.

OrdinariJoe, Harrow says...
3:59pm Sun 13 Dec 09

...?... wrote:
Oh.. I see another "you're going to heaven to sit upon soft white clouds and have tea with jesus." Again, rude!! You know how much the Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) means to Christians and Muslims. Yet you use this to mock the religion. Have you not been taught to respect others? Seriously?! It's quite worrying that people like you walk around freely thinking it is ok to be so ignorant. Islam, and ALL other religions teaches to keep your thoughts to yourself if they will hurt others - what were you taught? TO say them anyway because of "freedom of speech"!!!
I think it was Blind Watchmaker's "mental evolution" that causes him to abuse others.

Pray for him.

OrdinariJoe, Harrow says...
4:01pm Sun 13 Dec 09

SuperStudent18 wrote:
...?... - let it go, he's been a bit quiet for a little while, perhaps he's realised just how foolish he looked.
Think you're right.

Maybe his "mental evolution" is telling him to calm down and let others live.

razmataz, says...
4:03pm Sun 13 Dec 09

I conclude that Blind Watchmaker and ....'?'....are athiests and have no connection with religion hence you have still not provided with any references. We muslims as ordered by Allah in the Quran take Christians and Jews as people of the book known as the 'Ahle Kitab'. I pray to Allah that may he guide you and those who have turned away from their Lord on to the straight path.. Ameen! What you have said Jesus(Peace be upon him) is absolutely sickening. Are you a true christan Blind Man!?

...?..., London says...
4:06pm Sun 13 Dec 09

razmataz wrote:
I conclude that Blind Watchmaker and ....'?'....are athiests and have no connection with religion hence you have still not provided with any references. We muslims as ordered by Allah in the Quran take Christians and Jews as people of the book known as the 'Ahle Kitab'. I pray to Allah that may he guide you and those who have turned away from their Lord on to the straight path.. Ameen! What you have said Jesus(Peace be upon him) is absolutely sickening. Are you a true christan Blind Man!?
Erm.. I actually am a Muslim. :S.. And what was it exactly that I was providing evidence for? And I think Blind Watchmaker is an atheist, hence the reason why he abuses all religions and their followers.

razmataz, says...
4:10pm Sun 13 Dec 09

sorry ...?.. my apologise :)

razmataz, says...
4:13pm Sun 13 Dec 09

...?...I misunderstood u with Blind man,,,He has made me blind when reading messages...lol

...?..., London says...
4:14pm Sun 13 Dec 09

No harm done. :)

warichunt, stockton says...
7:37pm Sun 13 Dec 09

hello harrow ,im a bnp member and what you all need to know is that the bnp do not and never have marched or demonstrated in its entire history,so can any one tell me why the bnp are always mentioned at these rally's or in the media we are guilty of nothing more than being patriotic ,i dont think its a crime yet ?

SuperStudent18, Harrow says...
7:46pm Sun 13 Dec 09

Hi Warichunt, you seem perfectly reasonable and I personally understand why you are patriotic - you're patriotic about England, Muslims are 'patriotic' about Islam.
The problem people have with the BNP is with their nature - their Holocaust-denying leader and their members who have been found guilty of criminal damage and gang-banging. The BNP have done marvelously well in recruiting normal people like yourself to their disgusting ideology.
I do hope you will do some more research on the BNP - including their offshoots such as the SIOE and EDL (many of whose members also subscribe to the BNP).
The BNP of course is another subject matter to the one discussed here and now in this post.

The Blind Watchmaker, harrow weald says...
11:56pm Sun 13 Dec 09

warichunt why are you even posting on here?! The bnp leader has been exposed as a racist.

Your party are scum. Get off this website you racist fool.

razmataz, says...
12:14am Mon 14 Dec 09

Everyone has been against you today all against u!! so u get off this website! have a good night rest mate

The Blind Watchmaker, harrow weald says...
12:15am Mon 14 Dec 09

Everyone on here is religious. It's impossible to have a debate with a religious person because their mindset is already shackled to the beliefs their religion has brainwashed them with.

So you get off this website.

razmataz, says...
12:26am Mon 14 Dec 09

Religion and faith in God is the best of all. Be thankful who has brought you in to this world. Have u thought who brought u on to this world? Hence till now u have not provided any references and just talk what the newspapers and tv say. I feel pity on you!! I suggest you turn to faith before its too late. You can't debate with religious people?? because you cant debate in the first place and talk gibberish

The Blind Watchmaker, harrow weald says...
8:13am Mon 14 Dec 09

You really have shown how pathetic and closed minded you are.

I genuinely feel sorry for you. Shame on you.

SuperStudent18, Harrow says...
7:05pm Mon 14 Dec 09

Blind Watchmaker; you're winning yourself no supporters, doing yourself no favours and providing a pretty entertaining picture for anyone that wants to see a (not-so-closet) racist humiliated.
You earlier denied being a member of the SIOE, and yet have been found guilty on two counts, firstly, of echoing their anti-Muslim slogan, and then secondly of posting on the SIOE site!
If you feel so strongly about your convictions, why are you so embarrassed to admit being a member?
Like I said, the BNP are the disgusting core element of which the SIOE and the EDL are merely offshoots.
I think I would be overwhelmingly supported in saying that the only person that should be ashamed of themselves on this site is you.

The Blind Watchmaker, harrow weald says...
9:52am Tue 15 Dec 09

I am not a member of the SIOE at all and even if I was I would have no shame in saying so. I follow both the edl and the sioe, I am a member of neither.

Before you discredit yourself completely, would you care to explain to me how I'm a racist?

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