Police attacked with bricks and bottles at mosque protest

First published in News

POLICE came under attack from bottles and bricks this evening in violent clashes outside Harrow Central Mosque.

Superintendent Julia Pendry of the Met Police said: "What police set out to do today was to police peaceful protests.

"Unfortunately what unfolded was a series of acts of disorder and even cases of violence. Officers came under attack from bricks and bottles and we had to deploy our staff in protective equipment a number of times.

"Police had to take fast time action to stop events from getting even worse this afternoon, by intervening to prevent an imminent breach of the peace. We had to act to stop things from escalating.

"It is completely unacceptable for people to use the excuse of protest to break the law and behave in this way. We've been told that the majority of people that gathered in Station Road today were not even part of the local community. Stewards worked hard to intervene and keep the crowds calm, helping to prevent further disorder. What played out on the streets of Harrow today is completely unacceptable to everyone."

A total of nine arrests where made for possession of offensive weapons. One arrest was made to prevent a breach of the peace, he was released as soon as police were confident that the threat had passed.

Police are maintaining a presence in the area this evening to reassure the local community.

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11:08pm Fri 11 Sep 09

mom says...

What a sad day for Harrow. I have lived here all my life and nothing like this has ever happened before. I feel so sorry that the police who were there doing a job to protect the mosque and all concerned were the victims of attacks. What has it come to that people think it is ok to attack the law enforcers?
I hope that this is not a turning point in the wrong direction but a blip that will never be repeated.
A very sad day to see us on the news that way.
What a sad day for Harrow. I have lived here all my life and nothing like this has ever happened before. I feel so sorry that the police who were there doing a job to protect the mosque and all concerned were the victims of attacks. What has it come to that people think it is ok to attack the law enforcers? I hope that this is not a turning point in the wrong direction but a blip that will never be repeated. A very sad day to see us on the news that way. mom
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11:23pm Fri 11 Sep 09

SeaBee says...

Congratulations to the young Muslims of Harrow. You have handed victory to the forces of the right. They now appear to be models of virtue whilst you are seen as a rabble of stick wielding and rock throwing hooligans. You should be thoroughly ashamed of yourselves. You have put community relations back ten years.
Congratulations to the young Muslims of Harrow. You have handed victory to the forces of the right. They now appear to be models of virtue whilst you are seen as a rabble of stick wielding and rock throwing hooligans. You should be thoroughly ashamed of yourselves. You have put community relations back ten years. SeaBee
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11:28pm Fri 11 Sep 09

pricklypilgrim says...

Whether or not these people were from Harrow, such behaviour is clearly unacceptable. As a black, British, Christian Labour voter it saddens me that Harrow has been allowed to become fertile ground for such demonstrations of mindless polarisation.
One cannot blame "indigenous" Harrovians for feeling resentful, as some of my (non racist) friends do. This country has been welcoming to those of other races and cultures, but the powers-that-be in Harrow have allowed the development of an environment in which indigenous Brits are starting to look to the far right to speak up for their rights. That's the real tragedy.
Whether or not these people were from Harrow, such behaviour is clearly unacceptable. As a black, British, Christian Labour voter it saddens me that Harrow has been allowed to become fertile ground for such demonstrations of mindless polarisation. One cannot blame "indigenous" Harrovians for feeling resentful, as some of my (non racist) friends do. This country has been welcoming to those of other races and cultures, but the powers-that-be in Harrow have allowed the development of an environment in which indigenous Brits are starting to look to the far right to speak up for their rights. That's the real tragedy. pricklypilgrim
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11:45pm Fri 11 Sep 09

James_Harrow says...

In all my time in Harrow; I have never seen anything like this. The Muslim community felt they had to defend them self and fight against the racist parties coming to cause trouble. The Muslim public suffered in recent weeks in Birmingham and Luton which they felt they had to be stronger this time around. Many in the crowds didn't want to use any force but with the kind of passionate protests things went with emotion. I think once the dust settles and the outsides have caused the problems to our local people. The people of all faiths of Harrow should unite.
In all my time in Harrow; I have never seen anything like this. The Muslim community felt they had to defend them self and fight against the racist parties coming to cause trouble. The Muslim public suffered in recent weeks in Birmingham and Luton which they felt they had to be stronger this time around. Many in the crowds didn't want to use any force but with the kind of passionate protests things went with emotion. I think once the dust settles and the outsides have caused the problems to our local people. The people of all faiths of Harrow should unite. James_Harrow
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1:01am Sat 12 Sep 09

spmalkani says...

Time to take stock and reflect on how to keep such disgraceful people out of this borough.impossible to believe this happened in our Harrow.
Time to take stock and reflect on how to keep such disgraceful people out of this borough.impossible to believe this happened in our Harrow. spmalkani
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1:10am Sat 12 Sep 09

SuperStudent18 says...

As a Muslim teenager living in Harrow, this absolutely disgusts me.
I condemn it in the most withering terms, and am embarrassed by the behaviour of such 'Muslims.'
I am thoroughly apologetic, on my own behalf, for being represented by such buffoons, as young teenage Muslims are seen to represented in such a light.
I pray that community relations remain intact after this, and that impartial onlookers, and perhaps even those reading this can discern that there remain a sizeable number of actually articulate teens who define themselves as 'Muslims'.

Indeed a victory for the far right as Seabee put it, but a defeat for us young Muslims who can anticipate the ramifications of this.
A sad day for Harrow, and a sad day for all decent-minded Muslims.
As a Muslim teenager living in Harrow, this absolutely disgusts me. I condemn it in the most withering terms, and am embarrassed by the behaviour of such 'Muslims.' I am thoroughly apologetic, on my own behalf, for being represented by such buffoons, as young teenage Muslims are seen to represented in such a light. I pray that community relations remain intact after this, and that impartial onlookers, and perhaps even those reading this can discern that there remain a sizeable number of actually articulate teens who define themselves as 'Muslims'. Indeed a victory for the far right as Seabee put it, but a defeat for us young Muslims who can anticipate the ramifications of this. A sad day for Harrow, and a sad day for all decent-minded Muslims. SuperStudent18
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1:23am Sat 12 Sep 09

Unity1 says...

I am also a Muslim, and I too can apologise for those Muslim who behaved badly. They do not represent us all. I am really fearful of what will happen to Muslims in this country... things are really getting out of hand. Those that were unnecessarily violent are ignorant of the teachings of Islam. I sent out many messages when I heard about this protest that Muslims should behave according to the teachings of Islam. I worry that now we have become an extremely hated group of people, because of the behaviour of a few. The beauty of this country is that there exists multi-culturalism and multi-faiths. However I am starting to feel afraid of the future now. All I can ask, is that Islam is not judged according to the actions of those who know little, or even nothing about it.
I am also a Muslim, and I too can apologise for those Muslim who behaved badly. They do not represent us all. I am really fearful of what will happen to Muslims in this country... things are really getting out of hand. Those that were unnecessarily violent are ignorant of the teachings of Islam. I sent out many messages when I heard about this protest that Muslims should behave according to the teachings of Islam. I worry that now we have become an extremely hated group of people, because of the behaviour of a few. The beauty of this country is that there exists multi-culturalism and multi-faiths. However I am starting to feel afraid of the future now. All I can ask, is that Islam is not judged according to the actions of those who know little, or even nothing about it. Unity1
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3:08am Sat 12 Sep 09

Cllr Jeremy Zeid says...

WOW!!! Sorry about the typos and misspellings.
WOW!!! Sorry about the typos and misspellings. Cllr Jeremy Zeid
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3:40am Sat 12 Sep 09

spmalkani says...

Harrovians are a resilient and determined bunch.
We will not allow a disgraceful and misguided lot of young fellows or demonstrators from any party to create ill-will between us.
It has taken years of blood,sweat and tears to make us all feel part and parcel of ONE large family---the community of Harrow.
Harrovians must show a generosity of spirit and rise above the appalling
occurences we witnessed yesterday,outside the Harrow Central mosque and bridge near the Civic Centre.
It is unthinkable that the Police who came to help maintain law and order sustained attacks with bottles,bricks and missiles---totally out of character with our locals.Outsiders tried to hi-jack the show.

Just beggars belief!However sad or ashamed the day's events have made many of us ,who have lived here peacefully and happily,for decades,we stand firmly against all those who seek to divide us.We shall not be beaten by a bunch of hooligans.It is a tough learning curve.

If anything,let us resolve to bond even more closely with all our communities and build stronger ties between the hugely diverse groups that Harrow is so proud of.

Harrovians thank the Met Police,our Council,all community leaders,politicians and citizens alike for their total committment and co-operation.Take heart.
These outsiders do not represent Harrow in any shape or form.Our young Muslims in Harrow need not feel afraid.They are a valuable part of our Harrow,our community.
I am sure,we are mature and sensible enough not to tar every Muslim with the same brush,just because some outsiders came uninvited to our home town and tried,in vain,to turn it topsy-turvy.
Lets get back to work,as usual,and show them the stuff we harrovians are made of.
Harrovians are a resilient and determined bunch. We will not allow a disgraceful and misguided lot of young fellows or demonstrators from any party to create ill-will between us. It has taken years of blood,sweat and tears to make us all feel part and parcel of ONE large family---the community of Harrow. Harrovians must show a generosity of spirit and rise above the appalling occurences we witnessed yesterday,outside the Harrow Central mosque and bridge near the Civic Centre. It is unthinkable that the Police who came to help maintain law and order sustained attacks with bottles,bricks and missiles---totally out of character with our locals.Outsiders tried to hi-jack the show. Just beggars belief!However sad or ashamed the day's events have made many of us ,who have lived here peacefully and happily,for decades,we stand firmly against all those who seek to divide us.We shall not be beaten by a bunch of hooligans.It is a tough learning curve. If anything,let us resolve to bond even more closely with all our communities and build stronger ties between the hugely diverse groups that Harrow is so proud of. Harrovians thank the Met Police,our Council,all community leaders,politicians and citizens alike for their total committment and co-operation.Take heart. These outsiders do not represent Harrow in any shape or form.Our young Muslims in Harrow need not feel afraid.They are a valuable part of our Harrow,our community. I am sure,we are mature and sensible enough not to tar every Muslim with the same brush,just because some outsiders came uninvited to our home town and tried,in vain,to turn it topsy-turvy. Lets get back to work,as usual,and show them the stuff we harrovians are made of. spmalkani
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6:17am Sat 12 Sep 09

dudlien123 says...

Well, I am proud of you Harovians, including our young students. ;] Afterall they are the ones who will carry on bringing forth the beautifull community spirits when we will be old and frail. Our job today is to encourage them on paths of rights to the best of our abilities. I am looking forward visiting the beautiful spirited Harrow and offering prayers in the beautiful house of God. Peace blessings and mercy of our Glorious Creator be upon you all.
Well, I am proud of you Harovians, including our young students. ;] Afterall they are the ones who will carry on bringing forth the beautifull community spirits when we will be old and frail. Our job today is to encourage them on paths of rights to the best of our abilities. I am looking forward visiting the beautiful spirited Harrow and offering prayers in the beautiful house of God. Peace blessings and mercy of our Glorious Creator be upon you all. dudlien123
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9:36am Sat 12 Sep 09

Bill Baker says...

The small amount of protesters that attended from the right wing shows that the majority of people who were intitially intending the protest withdrew as the Harrow mosque had issued a statement stating the uses of the new mosque would not include Shariah Laws nor entertain radical elements and theat they were proud to be British Citizens, which satisfied many people who are oppposed to Shariah Law in any form, but respect Muslims have a right to religious freedom as anyone else does. The radical muslims however and the UAF scumbags attacking police on Friday shows how extremists are taking over Islam and maybe the Mosque has no control at all over radicals in its midst and it is the radicals controlling in reality. Had the few protesters been left alone and ignored behind the police line nothing would of been acheived by the right wing and they would of been ridiculed for their limited presence and shown that extremism has no support in this country. However the reaction by Muslim extremists has merely added to the ranks of the right wing and gained them support now, with the situation snowballing across the country now, politically at the polls and physically in the demonstrations that take place. Only people that seem to get hurt are the brave lads in the police force who have to take on the radicals on both sides
The small amount of protesters that attended from the right wing shows that the majority of people who were intitially intending the protest withdrew as the Harrow mosque had issued a statement stating the uses of the new mosque would not include Shariah Laws nor entertain radical elements and theat they were proud to be British Citizens, which satisfied many people who are oppposed to Shariah Law in any form, but respect Muslims have a right to religious freedom as anyone else does. The radical muslims however and the UAF scumbags attacking police on Friday shows how extremists are taking over Islam and maybe the Mosque has no control at all over radicals in its midst and it is the radicals controlling in reality. Had the few protesters been left alone and ignored behind the police line nothing would of been acheived by the right wing and they would of been ridiculed for their limited presence and shown that extremism has no support in this country. However the reaction by Muslim extremists has merely added to the ranks of the right wing and gained them support now, with the situation snowballing across the country now, politically at the polls and physically in the demonstrations that take place. Only people that seem to get hurt are the brave lads in the police force who have to take on the radicals on both sides Bill Baker
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10:13am Sat 12 Sep 09

Cllr Jeremy Zeid says...

Yes Heather Davies, it IS Our Harrow, as in ALL of us. It does not belong to the fascists (Left and Right),the extremists, idiot "nationalists" and the thugs.. Besides, YOU are in Wales with the same type of militant "nationalists", so how do you know?

You weren't there, I was. Easy to spout from the insulated comfort of your safe distance and keyboard.

Our Harrow, Our Community means that is is for us ALL. Anyone who doesn't like that, TOUGH!! Like or not we are where we are. What would YOU suggest as of NOW and not some mythical past idyll?
Yes Heather Davies, it IS Our Harrow, as in ALL of us. It does not belong to the fascists (Left and Right),the extremists, idiot "nationalists" and the thugs.. Besides, YOU are in Wales with the same type of militant "nationalists", so how do you know? You weren't there, I was. Easy to spout from the insulated comfort of your safe distance and keyboard. Our Harrow, Our Community means that is is for us ALL. Anyone who doesn't like that, TOUGH!! Like or not we are where we are. What would YOU suggest as of NOW and not some mythical past idyll? Cllr Jeremy Zeid
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10:20am Sat 12 Sep 09

Cllr Jeremy Zeid says...

For information, the "protesters" wre ignored for several hours. The word went around, probably from a "lookout on a phone or Twitter that "the enemy had been spotted", then the loons and extremists followed by the crowd-followers and SHEEP piled down the hill to Wealdstone.

Unlike so many "experts", I was actually there. It was a bloody disgrace and as I said before, incinvenient as it may be to those of that mindset, the biggest problem was the LEFT WING, UAF. The agitators of that Union should be ASHAMED.

Also, whe n it wa srealise dwhat a damp-squib it was with so few EDL turning out, Unite and others should have realise the total futility and GONE HOME.

Sorry, the EDL should not have been there. The violence is EXCLUSIVELY, down to the UAF and Islamic extremists and hatemongers that came from elsewhere.

So before another loon starts spouting and unless you were there, you have no real perspective.
For information, the "protesters" wre ignored for several hours. The word went around, probably from a "lookout on a phone or Twitter that "the enemy had been spotted", then the loons and extremists followed by the crowd-followers and SHEEP piled down the hill to Wealdstone. Unlike so many "experts", I was actually there. It was a bloody disgrace and as I said before, incinvenient as it may be to those of that mindset, the biggest problem was the LEFT WING, UAF. The agitators of that Union should be ASHAMED. Also, whe n it wa srealise dwhat a damp-squib it was with so few EDL turning out, Unite and others should have realise the total futility and GONE HOME. Sorry, the EDL should not have been there. The violence is EXCLUSIVELY, down to the UAF and Islamic extremists and hatemongers that came from elsewhere. So before another loon starts spouting and unless you were there, you have no real perspective. Cllr Jeremy Zeid
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11:10am Sat 12 Sep 09

Cllr Jeremy Zeid says...

Sorry Bill Baker, but the numbers of protesters DID NOT reduce, they increased.

The UAF and other radicals whipped up the mob with slogans and rumours.

The cowardly left-wing and religious fascists were determined to have their vainglorious "battle" whilst prompting from a position of safety at the back.

It was actually a non-protest, but the loons and agitators didn't want to go away empty-handed without making "their point" whatever that was.

I DESPISE THEM.

The mosque were fantastic in controlling and guiding their own congregation and also came to my aid when the anything but "peaceful" and MASKED white thug from the UAF, tried to attack me (before I removed his mask).

If "Unite" is a Union, devoted to "unity" then it has FAILED and in it nasty divisive wake should be prosecuted under the Trades Descriptions Act.

To the "Muslim" radicals, you brought shame to the religion and are hated by your co-religionists.

As for the barrack-room lawyers, distant commentators, armchair generals and miscellaneous "experts", you really had to be there, and you weren't..
Sorry Bill Baker, but the numbers of protesters DID NOT reduce, they increased. The UAF and other radicals whipped up the mob with slogans and rumours. The cowardly left-wing and religious fascists were determined to have their vainglorious "battle" whilst prompting from a position of safety at the back. It was actually a non-protest, but the loons and agitators didn't want to go away empty-handed without making "their point" whatever that was. I DESPISE THEM. The mosque were fantastic in controlling and guiding their own congregation and also came to my aid when the anything but "peaceful" and MASKED white thug from the UAF, tried to attack me (before I removed his mask). If "Unite" is a Union, devoted to "unity" then it has FAILED and in it nasty divisive wake should be prosecuted under the Trades Descriptions Act. To the "Muslim" radicals, you brought shame to the religion and are hated by your co-religionists. As for the barrack-room lawyers, distant commentators, armchair generals and miscellaneous "experts", you really had to be there, and you weren't.. Cllr Jeremy Zeid
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11:14am Sat 12 Sep 09

dudlien123 says...

cllr Zeid,
I need to clarify the term "Islamic extremist" As you probably allready know Islam is totaly against violence. Anyone who says the contrary is misinformed. Therefore a fundamentalist/extre
mist is a person who strives and gives his utmost to become the best in a particular field. I am a muslim and I suppose you could say an extremist, as Islam encourages us to be extreme in everything good. Therefore I and hopefully other muslims are extremely just, extremely caring, extremely loving. For example a real muslim is someone who submits totaly to his Creator God. A muslim prioritises worship above all things. Thats what a true muslim should be. Now if God tells us not to be violent, the person being violent is actually not a muslim but a non believer/non-muslim. Why are we still using the term "Islamic"??? For example the man accused of killing the most humans in qty. +-6million people was a christian, known as Hitler. We have never used the term Christian extremist to describe him and the nazis, did we. And Godwilling no muslim shall ever use it as hopefully God has blessed the real muslims with enuogh knowledge and sensibility as most of his creation, ie mankind. Please as a gesture of good will be the 1st one to abolish this unjust usage of a term that taints a beautiful religion that only incites peace.
cllr Zeid, I need to clarify the term "Islamic extremist" As you probably allready know Islam is totaly against violence. Anyone who says the contrary is misinformed. Therefore a fundamentalist/extre mist is a person who strives and gives his utmost to become the best in a particular field. I am a muslim and I suppose you could say an extremist, as Islam encourages us to be extreme in everything good. Therefore I and hopefully other muslims are extremely just, extremely caring, extremely loving. For example a real muslim is someone who submits totaly to his Creator God. A muslim prioritises worship above all things. Thats what a true muslim should be. Now if God tells us not to be violent, the person being violent is actually not a muslim but a non believer/non-muslim. Why are we still using the term "Islamic"??? For example the man accused of killing the most humans in qty. +-6million people was a christian, known as Hitler. We have never used the term Christian extremist to describe him and the nazis, did we. And Godwilling no muslim shall ever use it as hopefully God has blessed the real muslims with enuogh knowledge and sensibility as most of his creation, ie mankind. Please as a gesture of good will be the 1st one to abolish this unjust usage of a term that taints a beautiful religion that only incites peace. dudlien123
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11:36am Sat 12 Sep 09

dudlien123 says...

Heather Davies, my dear please go and research what Islam really is about. You are sooo misinformed on the subject. Of all people you owe it to yourself to seek and verify the facts. Ifd you respect humanity( and we are all human first of all ) dont hate blindly, once you have looked into it and still find reason to hate Islam, no one will have any objections. I hope you respect yourself as much, so that you have the right information...
Heather Davies, my dear please go and research what Islam really is about. You are sooo misinformed on the subject. Of all people you owe it to yourself to seek and verify the facts. Ifd you respect humanity( and we are all human first of all ) dont hate blindly, once you have looked into it and still find reason to hate Islam, no one will have any objections. I hope you respect yourself as much, so that you have the right information... dudlien123
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11:55am Sat 12 Sep 09

jackdaw says...

A big thank you to the road sweepers who have spent this morning making the area clean and free from litter.

Obviously yesterday's protesters had not signed up to keeping Harrow tidy.

I suspect they are all having a lie in after the riot.
A big thank you to the road sweepers who have spent this morning making the area clean and free from litter. Obviously yesterday's protesters had not signed up to keeping Harrow tidy. I suspect they are all having a lie in after the riot. jackdaw
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12:07pm Sat 12 Sep 09

Fiza says...

I live near the mosque and so witnessed the goings on of the protest first hand. I am thoroughly angered by those so called muslims who covered their faces. They are no representative of muslims and Islam at all! I saw them hanging about earlier in the day "getting ready". Its Ramadan and they were not even fasting, all smoking and drinking! Not so Islamically minded as you'd think. They don't know anything about their religion they don't even practise it. They were just here for a fight to spice up their already dull lives! I hate that they get all the media attention!!!
I live near the mosque and so witnessed the goings on of the protest first hand. I am thoroughly angered by those so called muslims who covered their faces. They are no representative of muslims and Islam at all! I saw them hanging about earlier in the day "getting ready". Its Ramadan and they were not even fasting, all smoking and drinking! Not so Islamically minded as you'd think. They don't know anything about their religion they don't even practise it. They were just here for a fight to spice up their already dull lives! I hate that they get all the media attention!!! Fiza
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12:14pm Sat 12 Sep 09

Cllr Jeremy Zeid says...

dudlien123. Glad to oblige. having attended the mosque yesterday morning, hearing what the Imam had to say and the unity of the members, harrow's Muslim community is a shining example of neighbourliness and when it came to it were prepared to help me when I was surrounded by the UAF thugs.

Those who came from outside perporting to be Muslim, had nothing on common with the my friends and neighbours here in Harrow.

This is not the fault of Islam, but that of those who subvert and radicalize it for their own ends.

Yes, I have read the iffy bits, but that was then and as far as Harrow is concerned is not for now. It would be nice if the radicals and militants could just grow up. There us something inadequate in people who would sow the seeds of discord and hatred for some !cause" that is usually a reflection of their own ignorance.

One vociferous "radical" convert, it's always a convert, tried to stir it up and was asked to leave. No-one wanted him there.

As far I am concerned, we are all fellow neighbours. As I said on a previous article, there is the right to free speech and protest, but I don't have to welcome those agitators.

As for jackdaw's comments.. Quite right, our cleansing staff have done a superb job looking after our environment, the Civic Centre security team, likewise Kier who boarded up vulnerable buildings against likely violence.
dudlien123. Glad to oblige. having attended the mosque yesterday morning, hearing what the Imam had to say and the unity of the members, harrow's Muslim community is a shining example of neighbourliness and when it came to it were prepared to help me when I was surrounded by the UAF thugs. Those who came from outside perporting to be Muslim, had nothing on common with the my friends and neighbours here in Harrow. This is not the fault of Islam, but that of those who subvert and radicalize it for their own ends. Yes, I have read the iffy bits, but that was then and as far as Harrow is concerned is not for now. It would be nice if the radicals and militants could just grow up. There us something inadequate in people who would sow the seeds of discord and hatred for some !cause" that is usually a reflection of their own ignorance. One vociferous "radical" convert, it's always a convert, tried to stir it up and was asked to leave. No-one wanted him there. As far I am concerned, we are all fellow neighbours. As I said on a previous article, there is the right to free speech and protest, but I don't have to welcome those agitators. As for jackdaw's comments.. Quite right, our cleansing staff have done a superb job looking after our environment, the Civic Centre security team, likewise Kier who boarded up vulnerable buildings against likely violence. Cllr Jeremy Zeid
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12:16pm Sat 12 Sep 09

joshisthebest4 says...

i went to this protest our of shear curiosity and all i encountered were a group of thugs eager to start a fight with anything - these thugs were the Muslims, not the apparent BNP who to my knowledge barely appeared. I noticed children as young as 12-13 wielding sticks and chasing people down the roads, i find it very ironic how this apparent show of peace to save one's religion became exactly what they were protesting against. I have never been more disgusted with harrow and the Muslim community and i think they should all be thoroughly ashamed with themselves, even those who did not incite the thugs as it was not beyond their capability to send them home. All you have done by erupting into street thugs is play into the hands of the far right who have won this protest without even turning up as it shows how you cannot state your opinions without violence.
i went to this protest our of shear curiosity and all i encountered were a group of thugs eager to start a fight with anything - these thugs were the Muslims, not the apparent BNP who to my knowledge barely appeared. I noticed children as young as 12-13 wielding sticks and chasing people down the roads, i find it very ironic how this apparent show of peace to save one's religion became exactly what they were protesting against. I have never been more disgusted with harrow and the Muslim community and i think they should all be thoroughly ashamed with themselves, even those who did not incite the thugs as it was not beyond their capability to send them home. All you have done by erupting into street thugs is play into the hands of the far right who have won this protest without even turning up as it shows how you cannot state your opinions without violence. joshisthebest4
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12:17pm Sat 12 Sep 09

Fiza says...

Stickupkid, your no better than the 'bnp scum'. In fact your both alike and they should take all of you lot and put you on a desert island somewhere so you can go beat each other up away from all of us!!! Families with young children live in Harrow as well as the elderly. How dare you!! I will certainly not let you turn Harrow into your own little playground!! You will not use Islam for your own personal games!!!
Stickupkid, your no better than the 'bnp scum'. In fact your both alike and they should take all of you lot and put you on a desert island somewhere so you can go beat each other up away from all of us!!! Families with young children live in Harrow as well as the elderly. How dare you!! I will certainly not let you turn Harrow into your own little playground!! You will not use Islam for your own personal games!!! Fiza
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12:30pm Sat 12 Sep 09

dudlien123 says...

Thank you cllr Zeid, for your understanding. Much appreciated.
Thank you cllr Zeid, for your understanding. Much appreciated. dudlien123
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12:36pm Sat 12 Sep 09

SBE says...

How did the BNP get their votes? Whilst the country is going through a recession and people were being angered by the loss of jobs etc the BNP promised British Jobs for British people, knowing the vulnerable will now be looking for someone to blame. A devious tactic but a good way to promote racism. Bradford and Oldham riots, the Nazis came, provoked violence and then fled. People reacted in anger and the relationship between races and the Police has not been good since. Harrow same thing the Nazis (sioe) angered residents and people from all over the country. They had no intention of turning up but they managed to cause chaos. However, reading the comments (excluding Heather the Hitler from Wales) especially from members of the Harrow community I have to say well done to you for uniting against the Nazis and all trouble makers. To the trouble makers I would like to say you should be familiar with Nazis tactics by now and instead of violence why not consider using tactics of your own.
How did the BNP get their votes? Whilst the country is going through a recession and people were being angered by the loss of jobs etc the BNP promised British Jobs for British people, knowing the vulnerable will now be looking for someone to blame. A devious tactic but a good way to promote racism. Bradford and Oldham riots, the Nazis came, provoked violence and then fled. People reacted in anger and the relationship between races and the Police has not been good since. Harrow same thing the Nazis (sioe) angered residents and people from all over the country. They had no intention of turning up but they managed to cause chaos. However, reading the comments (excluding Heather the Hitler from Wales) especially from members of the Harrow community I have to say well done to you for uniting against the Nazis and all trouble makers. To the trouble makers I would like to say you should be familiar with Nazis tactics by now and instead of violence why not consider using tactics of your own. SBE
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12:41pm Sat 12 Sep 09

pam syria says...

I saw the news on BBC yesterday and was totally dismayed . I am aBritish Muslim but live far way from England. Reading the above comments has given me a better idea of what happened .Fiza,s comment on how the "Muslims" were hanging around smoking and eating tells it all, they are not Muslims, just yobs out for some "fun' it reminds me of the football riots we had to endure in my youth, and as usual the police are in the middle.
Harrow sounds like its struggling against odds to give a good life to all its citizens ho matter what colour or creed . Good for you Harrow , hopefully the yobs will stay clear next time and leave you all in peace.
I saw the news on BBC yesterday and was totally dismayed . I am aBritish Muslim but live far way from England. Reading the above comments has given me a better idea of what happened .Fiza,s comment on how the "Muslims" were hanging around smoking and eating tells it all, they are not Muslims, just yobs out for some "fun' it reminds me of the football riots we had to endure in my youth, and as usual the police are in the middle. Harrow sounds like its struggling against odds to give a good life to all its citizens ho matter what colour or creed . Good for you Harrow , hopefully the yobs will stay clear next time and leave you all in peace. pam syria
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1:02pm Sat 12 Sep 09

Heather Davies says...

Cllr Jeremy Zeid wrote:
Yes Heather Davies, it IS Our Harrow, as in ALL of us. It does not belong to the fascists (Left and Right),the extremists, idiot "nationalists" and the thugs.. Besides, YOU are in Wales with the same type of militant "nationalists", so how do you know? You weren't there, I was. Easy to spout from the insulated comfort of your safe distance and keyboard. Our Harrow, Our Community means that is is for us ALL. Anyone who doesn't like that, TOUGH!! Like or not we are where we are. What would YOU suggest as of NOW and not some mythical past idyll?
Cllr Jeremy Zeid; your aggression is obvious - calm down! The only "thugs" I saw yesterday were from within the Muslim cult, I didn't see any other creed or colour misbehave, did you Cllr Zeid?

Fool yourself CLLR ZEID, however, the facts are evident and blatant for all to see. And for your info. Harrow WAS my hometown until I was RUN OUT! And I thank my Goddess that I don't live there anymore.

And please refrain from insulting the Welsh; your jibe about "militant nationalists" is quite offensive. But that's the problem YOU can do what you like, however, when other people disagree with YOUR way you spit your dummy out don't you.

Grow up Cllr Zeid and don't shout!
[quote][p][bold]Cllr Jeremy Zeid[/bold] wrote: Yes Heather Davies, it IS Our Harrow, as in ALL of us. It does not belong to the fascists (Left and Right),the extremists, idiot "nationalists" and the thugs.. Besides, YOU are in Wales with the same type of militant "nationalists", so how do you know? You weren't there, I was. Easy to spout from the insulated comfort of your safe distance and keyboard. Our Harrow, Our Community means that is is for us ALL. Anyone who doesn't like that, TOUGH!! Like or not we are where we are. What would YOU suggest as of NOW and not some mythical past idyll?[/p][/quote]Cllr Jeremy Zeid; your aggression is obvious - calm down! The only "thugs" I saw yesterday were from within the Muslim cult, I didn't see any other creed or colour misbehave, did you Cllr Zeid? Fool yourself CLLR ZEID, however, the facts are evident and blatant for all to see. And for your info. Harrow WAS my hometown until I was RUN OUT! And I thank my Goddess that I don't live there anymore. And please refrain from insulting the Welsh; your jibe about "militant nationalists" is quite offensive. But that's the problem YOU can do what you like, however, when other people disagree with YOUR way you spit your dummy out don't you. Grow up Cllr Zeid and don't shout! Heather Davies
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1:02pm Sat 12 Sep 09

Cllr Jeremy Zeid says...

Hi Pam, We are not struggling against the odds. By and large we are winning. The fact that all of us will not allow this destruction says it all.
Hi Pam, We are not struggling against the odds. By and large we are winning. The fact that all of us will not allow this destruction says it all. Cllr Jeremy Zeid
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1:04pm Sat 12 Sep 09

SeaBee says...

Can we be told how much the policing of the "demonstrations" cost and how much the police will seek to recover from UAF (Chairman, Mr K Livingstone) As has been pointed out most of the trouble was caused by those from outside Harrow. UAF invited its supporters to the demonstration and as those few right wingers who did turn up were in no position to cause trouble, the blame must attach to UAF. Apologies for my earlier sweeping statement regarding young Harrow Muslims, I saw on television some of you trying to calm the situation at great personal risk from both the outsiders and the police.
Can we be told how much the policing of the "demonstrations" cost and how much the police will seek to recover from UAF (Chairman, Mr K Livingstone) As has been pointed out most of the trouble was caused by those from outside Harrow. UAF invited its supporters to the demonstration and as those few right wingers who did turn up were in no position to cause trouble, the blame must attach to UAF. Apologies for my earlier sweeping statement regarding young Harrow Muslims, I saw on television some of you trying to calm the situation at great personal risk from both the outsiders and the police. SeaBee
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1:05pm Sat 12 Sep 09

Heather Davies says...

If Jeremy Zeid is a cllr, then I'm surprised because he bears no bones about throwing insults around does he? Hardly the way to behave Jeremy? Oh dear is it any wonder our country has gone down the "pan"?
If Jeremy Zeid is a cllr, then I'm surprised because he bears no bones about throwing insults around does he? Hardly the way to behave Jeremy? Oh dear is it any wonder our country has gone down the "pan"? Heather Davies
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1:13pm Sat 12 Sep 09

dudlien123 says...

Couldn't agree more with the above, when I heard about the protests organised, my main concern was the conflict this could cause amongst the various communities of Harrow. But I am glad to see how Harrow dealt with the situation and how these communities stand united. A big bravo to the muslims of Harrow also. To tell you the truth, it makes me want to move to Harrow, but I have lived in Dudley all my live and have rather grown attached.;]
Couldn't agree more with the above, when I heard about the protests organised, my main concern was the conflict this could cause amongst the various communities of Harrow. But I am glad to see how Harrow dealt with the situation and how these communities stand united. A big bravo to the muslims of Harrow also. To tell you the truth, it makes me want to move to Harrow, but I have lived in Dudley all my live and have rather grown attached.;] dudlien123
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1:16pm Sat 12 Sep 09

Sanah says...

Bill Baker wrote:
The small amount of protesters that attended from the right wing shows that the majority of people who were intitially intending the protest withdrew as the Harrow mosque had issued a statement stating the uses of the new mosque would not include Shariah Laws nor entertain radical elements and theat they were proud to be British Citizens, which satisfied many people who are oppposed to Shariah Law in any form, but respect Muslims have a right to religious freedom as anyone else does. The radical muslims however and the UAF scumbags attacking police on Friday shows how extremists are taking over Islam and maybe the Mosque has no control at all over radicals in its midst and it is the radicals controlling in reality. Had the few protesters been left alone and ignored behind the police line nothing would of been acheived by the right wing and they would of been ridiculed for their limited presence and shown that extremism has no support in this country. However the reaction by Muslim extremists has merely added to the ranks of the right wing and gained them support now, with the situation snowballing across the country now, politically at the polls and physically in the demonstrations that take place. Only people that seem to get hurt are the brave lads in the police force who have to take on the radicals on both sides
I thought the protests from the far right were to remember those who lost their lives in the 9-11 attrocity and not to vent their anger at the mosque for allegedly wanting to implement shariah council there?? Heather Davies, you can hardly compare Harrow to the holy land of Palestine. You had a choice to leave Harrow, the people of Palestine were illegally removed from their homes and lands and live in fear every second of every day. Your view of Muslims and Islam is very distorted!! Please do not follow the crowds, obtain your opinion first hand from credible sources not the tabloids. I feel sad that you are filled with so much hate.
[quote][p][bold]Bill Baker[/bold] wrote: The small amount of protesters that attended from the right wing shows that the majority of people who were intitially intending the protest withdrew as the Harrow mosque had issued a statement stating the uses of the new mosque would not include Shariah Laws nor entertain radical elements and theat they were proud to be British Citizens, which satisfied many people who are oppposed to Shariah Law in any form, but respect Muslims have a right to religious freedom as anyone else does. The radical muslims however and the UAF scumbags attacking police on Friday shows how extremists are taking over Islam and maybe the Mosque has no control at all over radicals in its midst and it is the radicals controlling in reality. Had the few protesters been left alone and ignored behind the police line nothing would of been acheived by the right wing and they would of been ridiculed for their limited presence and shown that extremism has no support in this country. However the reaction by Muslim extremists has merely added to the ranks of the right wing and gained them support now, with the situation snowballing across the country now, politically at the polls and physically in the demonstrations that take place. Only people that seem to get hurt are the brave lads in the police force who have to take on the radicals on both sides[/p][/quote]I thought the protests from the far right were to remember those who lost their lives in the 9-11 attrocity and not to vent their anger at the mosque for allegedly wanting to implement shariah council there?? Heather Davies, you can hardly compare Harrow to the holy land of Palestine. You had a choice to leave Harrow, the people of Palestine were illegally removed from their homes and lands and live in fear every second of every day. Your view of Muslims and Islam is very distorted!! Please do not follow the crowds, obtain your opinion first hand from credible sources not the tabloids. I feel sad that you are filled with so much hate. Sanah
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1:23pm Sat 12 Sep 09

joshisthebest4 says...

Mr Zeid i think you are missing the overall point of what has occured. Although not everyone there was from harrow, the fact that these masked thugs exist is the worrying problem, the fact that the protest errupted into violence in harrow is not the biggest problem here, it is the fact that the violence occured and placing the blame on near by communities is just not a good enough answer. There are obviously underlying social problems in not just the muslim community but the community as a whole and real hard work from the council is needed to fix it.
Mr Zeid i think you are missing the overall point of what has occured. Although not everyone there was from harrow, the fact that these masked thugs exist is the worrying problem, the fact that the protest errupted into violence in harrow is not the biggest problem here, it is the fact that the violence occured and placing the blame on near by communities is just not a good enough answer. There are obviously underlying social problems in not just the muslim community but the community as a whole and real hard work from the council is needed to fix it. joshisthebest4
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1:36pm Sat 12 Sep 09

Cllr Jeremy Zeid says...

We also have a serious problem with the wholly biased and incorrect State BBC reportage. They contend that the problem was caused by the "right wing", NO SO.

Any that showed up, several hours AFTER the start amounted to no more than 15 or 20 people.

Sorry to say, but the radical Muslims who showed up from elsewhare, attacked anyone with a white face.

The fights you saw had NO right-wingers present, NOT ONE.

It was the fascist Left and radicalized youths, who, bored with standing around, attacked the police.

The BBC's emphasis on the right is a bloody disgrace. It did not happen like that. NO RIGHT WINGER rioted.
We also have a serious problem with the wholly biased and incorrect State BBC reportage. They contend that the problem was caused by the "right wing", NO SO. Any that showed up, several hours AFTER the start amounted to no more than 15 or 20 people. Sorry to say, but the radical Muslims who showed up from elsewhare, attacked anyone with a white face. The fights you saw had NO right-wingers present, NOT ONE. It was the fascist Left and radicalized youths, who, bored with standing around, attacked the police. The BBC's emphasis on the right is a bloody disgrace. It did not happen like that. NO RIGHT WINGER rioted. Cllr Jeremy Zeid
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1:39pm Sat 12 Sep 09

Sanah says...

The only aggression here is coming from you Heather Davies, I pray to God that the seal on your
heart is lifted. You are no better than those who turned out to fight yesterday. So most of them were Asian, does that automatically make them Muslim? No!! You use the word "cult" again, Islam wasn't spread by the sword like some religions. People accepting Islam has drastically increased since 9-11 - amongst all nationalities and races. Doesn't that speak for itself? I was neither forced nor brainwashed to become Muslim. You should change yourself first before you try to change others.
The only aggression here is coming from you Heather Davies, I pray to God that the seal on your heart is lifted. You are no better than those who turned out to fight yesterday. So most of them were Asian, does that automatically make them Muslim? No!! You use the word "cult" again, Islam wasn't spread by the sword like some religions. People accepting Islam has drastically increased since 9-11 - amongst all nationalities and races. Doesn't that speak for itself? I was neither forced nor brainwashed to become Muslim. You should change yourself first before you try to change others. Sanah
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2:20pm Sat 12 Sep 09

SBE says...

Heather your comments indicate 1 thing you are definitely a descendant of Hitler. Like you your great great grandfather believed there to be an overpopulation of Jewish people. He firmly believed he had the right to hate them and they should be rid of. Like you he laughed at human pain and suffering and believed himself to be different and special (your Nazis comment on Palestine). Trace back your roots and discover where your family came from (even hitler was an immigrant). If we look back far enough are we not all immigrants?
Heather your comments indicate 1 thing you are definitely a descendant of Hitler. Like you your great great grandfather believed there to be an overpopulation of Jewish people. He firmly believed he had the right to hate them and they should be rid of. Like you he laughed at human pain and suffering and believed himself to be different and special (your Nazis comment on Palestine). Trace back your roots and discover where your family came from (even hitler was an immigrant). If we look back far enough are we not all immigrants? SBE
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2:22pm Sat 12 Sep 09

SBE says...

Heather your comments indicate 1 thing you are definitely a descendant of Hitler. Like you your great great grandfather believed there to be an overpopulation of Jewish people. He firmly believed he had the right to hate them and they should be rid of. Like you he laughed at human pain and suffering and believed himself to be different and special (your Nazis comment on Palestine). Trace back your roots and discover where your family came from. If we look back far enough are we not all immigrants?
Heather your comments indicate 1 thing you are definitely a descendant of Hitler. Like you your great great grandfather believed there to be an overpopulation of Jewish people. He firmly believed he had the right to hate them and they should be rid of. Like you he laughed at human pain and suffering and believed himself to be different and special (your Nazis comment on Palestine). Trace back your roots and discover where your family came from. If we look back far enough are we not all immigrants? SBE
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2:40pm Sat 12 Sep 09

pricklypilgrim says...

Sanah wrote:
The only aggression here is coming from you Heather Davies, I pray to God that the seal on your heart is lifted. You are no better than those who turned out to fight yesterday. So most of them were Asian, does that automatically make them Muslim? No!! You use the word "cult" again, Islam wasn't spread by the sword like some religions. People accepting Islam has drastically increased since 9-11 - amongst all nationalities and races. Doesn't that speak for itself? I was neither forced nor brainwashed to become Muslim. You should change yourself first before you try to change others.
To be fair, the Councillor is also aggressive. And inaccurate: almost by definition "fascism" is a right wing concept, but he writes of "left wing fascists" - and adds, even more iinaccurately, that no right-winger rioted! The EDL are left-wingers, I take it?! Puleez!

Both parties use broad swipes, generalisations demonising swathes of the population with more aggression than accuracy.
[quote][p][bold]Sanah[/bold] wrote: The only aggression here is coming from you Heather Davies, I pray to God that the seal on your heart is lifted. You are no better than those who turned out to fight yesterday. So most of them were Asian, does that automatically make them Muslim? No!! You use the word "cult" again, Islam wasn't spread by the sword like some religions. People accepting Islam has drastically increased since 9-11 - amongst all nationalities and races. Doesn't that speak for itself? I was neither forced nor brainwashed to become Muslim. You should change yourself first before you try to change others.[/p][/quote]To be fair, the Councillor is also aggressive. And inaccurate: almost by definition "fascism" is a right wing concept, but he writes of "left wing fascists" - and adds, even more iinaccurately, that no right-winger rioted! The EDL are left-wingers, I take it?! Puleez! Both parties use broad swipes, generalisations demonising swathes of the population with more aggression than accuracy. pricklypilgrim
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2:54pm Sat 12 Sep 09

rcbaron says...

The arguments about the protests at a mosque in Harrow seem to have got into a complete muddle.

Of course Muslims should be allowed to practise their religion, provided they let the rest of us get on with our lives. All the Muslims I know are respected because they practice their religion with discretion.

The people who need to be stopped are the Islamists. If I asked the first 100 people I met if they wanted Britain to be run as the Taliban ran Afghanistan, I guess that not one would want it. That would include Muslims.

The sad thing is that the Government has left this decision to protest groups with a dubious agenda, such as SIOE.
The arguments about the protests at a mosque in Harrow seem to have got into a complete muddle. Of course Muslims should be allowed to practise their religion, provided they let the rest of us get on with our lives. All the Muslims I know are respected because they practice their religion with discretion. The people who need to be stopped are the Islamists. If I asked the first 100 people I met if they wanted Britain to be run as the Taliban ran Afghanistan, I guess that not one would want it. That would include Muslims. The sad thing is that the Government has left this decision to protest groups with a dubious agenda, such as SIOE. rcbaron
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3:53pm Sat 12 Sep 09

SBE says...

Rcbaron I see your point and respect it
However, I don’t think the terror threat is based on the Taliban wanting to take over Britain and the only places being taken over during this time are places such as Afghanistan Palestine and most of the Middle East and that’s not by the Taliban. Some preachers in the UK have been spreading extreme hate and the wrong message about Islam and such people are in fact breaking the rules of Islam but this a minority and not the majority. Others preach against the occupation of Islamic countries and if you watch the British news for long enough there are a number of justifications. What we do not see is the actual destruction being caused in occupied land and the number of innocent people being killed. For example we heard of over a thousand being killed in Palestine recently. That’s over a thousand people like me and you, yet we were TOLD it is justified because of the terrorists hiding there. If we were to ask the victims who they believed the terrorists were we would receive a different answer to that of BBC news. Sometimes we have to look at the bigger picture for things to make sense. If Britain has fallen victim to terrorist attacks then you cannot blame innocent tax paying Muslims. They have not provoked such attacks but you have to ask the question who has. Remember the July bombings Muslims were also killed. If you have received any justifications from the media then please question them as our government is not as innocent in all of this as makes out to be. It’s the innocent people of Britain and around the world that have to face the awful consequences
Rcbaron I see your point and respect it However, I don’t think the terror threat is based on the Taliban wanting to take over Britain and the only places being taken over during this time are places such as Afghanistan Palestine and most of the Middle East and that’s not by the Taliban. Some preachers in the UK have been spreading extreme hate and the wrong message about Islam and such people are in fact breaking the rules of Islam but this a minority and not the majority. Others preach against the occupation of Islamic countries and if you watch the British news for long enough there are a number of justifications. What we do not see is the actual destruction being caused in occupied land and the number of innocent people being killed. For example we heard of over a thousand being killed in Palestine recently. That’s over a thousand people like me and you, yet we were TOLD it is justified because of the terrorists hiding there. If we were to ask the victims who they believed the terrorists were we would receive a different answer to that of BBC news. Sometimes we have to look at the bigger picture for things to make sense. If Britain has fallen victim to terrorist attacks then you cannot blame innocent tax paying Muslims. They have not provoked such attacks but you have to ask the question who has. Remember the July bombings Muslims were also killed. If you have received any justifications from the media then please question them as our government is not as innocent in all of this as makes out to be. It’s the innocent people of Britain and around the world that have to face the awful consequences SBE
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5:02pm Sat 12 Sep 09

Heather Davies says...

SBE Manchester; you be careful what you say because it does border on Slander!

We can all argue amongst one another but the fact is that today's Harrow is not the "classy" and "lovely" town in which I grew up in.

WHY? I rest my case!
SBE Manchester; you be careful what you say because it does border on Slander! We can all argue amongst one another but the fact is that today's Harrow is not the "classy" and "lovely" town in which I grew up in. WHY? I rest my case! Heather Davies
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5:12pm Sat 12 Sep 09

Obelix says...

I am not a Muslim radical and I am not a nazi thug, so I guess I should just keep my head down and shut up. I won’t though, because unlike all of the nationalist hooligans and many of the Muslim hooligans, who were violently involved in the disturbance, I am a resident of Harrow, and a concerned one at that.

Personally, I think it makes sense that a town with a large Muslim community has a purpose built Mosque. There are a lot of Christians here and they all have there own church buildings. In the area, there are also Jewish, Hindu and Sikh places of worship. If you built a mosque in a town with no prior Muslim community, I could see how that could be classed as “Islamification”
, but the worshipers at Harrow Mosque live here, work here, go to school here and, in very many cases, are British by birth.

However, I do have a big problem with my hometown being disrupted and my family’s safety put at risk, because of two groups that wish to bring trouble here. I would have preferred it if the police had refused permission for the protest to go ahead. These Nazis were outsiders, and should have no say in what goes on in our community. However, once the policed allowed the protest, it should have been allowed to go ahead without the threat of violent resistance. People have a right to express their views without the threat of violent reprisals. I understand the need to protect what is dear to you, but letting young Muslim men run amok - attacking the Nazi protesters and attacking the police - did nothing to safeguard the Muslim community in Harrow. I now understand that many of the Muslim troublemakers were also - as the Nazis were - outsiders to this community.

Now all of these thugs, from both sides of barricade, have gone back to where they belong, I am worried that the residents of Harrow, may feel more divided along racial and religious lines than ever before. I am worried that Friday’s fracas has done permanent damage to our happy multi-cultural community here in Harrow. I am also worried that our five-year-old child was upset that she had to miss a day of school, to avoid the troubles. Then again, she’ll be fine - after all, she needs a lot less schooling than those pathetic men, from both sides, who disrupted her school day.

Peace
I am not a Muslim radical and I am not a nazi thug, so I guess I should just keep my head down and shut up. I won’t though, because unlike all of the nationalist hooligans and many of the Muslim hooligans, who were violently involved in the disturbance, I am a resident of Harrow, and a concerned one at that. Personally, I think it makes sense that a town with a large Muslim community has a purpose built Mosque. There are a lot of Christians here and they all have there own church buildings. In the area, there are also Jewish, Hindu and Sikh places of worship. If you built a mosque in a town with no prior Muslim community, I could see how that could be classed as “Islamification” , but the worshipers at Harrow Mosque live here, work here, go to school here and, in very many cases, are British by birth. However, I do have a big problem with my hometown being disrupted and my family’s safety put at risk, because of two groups that wish to bring trouble here. I would have preferred it if the police had refused permission for the protest to go ahead. These Nazis were outsiders, and should have no say in what goes on in our community. However, once the policed allowed the protest, it should have been allowed to go ahead without the threat of violent resistance. People have a right to express their views without the threat of violent reprisals. I understand the need to protect what is dear to you, but letting young Muslim men run amok - attacking the Nazi protesters and attacking the police - did nothing to safeguard the Muslim community in Harrow. I now understand that many of the Muslim troublemakers were also - as the Nazis were - outsiders to this community. Now all of these thugs, from both sides of barricade, have gone back to where they belong, I am worried that the residents of Harrow, may feel more divided along racial and religious lines than ever before. I am worried that Friday’s fracas has done permanent damage to our happy multi-cultural community here in Harrow. I am also worried that our five-year-old child was upset that she had to miss a day of school, to avoid the troubles. Then again, she’ll be fine - after all, she needs a lot less schooling than those pathetic men, from both sides, who disrupted her school day. Peace Obelix
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5:25pm Sat 12 Sep 09

Obelix says...

Stickupkid - you need locking up you scum. It's nasty vermin like you that gives all muslims a bad name. I hate Nazi's, but don't put my daughters safety at risk to make a point you thicko or blood will spill!
Stickupkid - you need locking up you scum. It's nasty vermin like you that gives all muslims a bad name. I hate Nazi's, but don't put my daughters safety at risk to make a point you thicko or blood will spill! Obelix
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5:34pm Sat 12 Sep 09

Cllr Jeremy Zeid says...

Actually FASCISM is a concept of any "wing". It is an ideology of creating scapegoats and enemies.

A piece of history. Did you know that during the last War, the Unions refused to load the ships for the forces as Herr Hitler was a Socialist albeit a national one.

The Government then "rebranded" Hitler's National Socialism, the ones who gassed and murdered my wife's family as "Right Wing" and not like the other murdering scum the Left Wing "Socialists" and Communists who bumped off so many of my family, because they were Jewish. See where I am going here??

The antics of the UAF and other extreme Left organizations that demonize and attack people is NO different, they are Left Wing FASCISTS. That bthey were prepared to do serious and probably fatal damage to others is a lesson we should not forget. They must be shunned for this reason.

Likewise, those "religious" radicals are religious fascists for the same reason, as some of us don't pray in the right way, to a God who must be laughing at our infantile stupidity.

The "Left" have murdered far more people than the "Right". Hitler about 22m, Stalin approx 35m and the outright winner MAO with 65m. All in all, over 170million people murdered by their own governments over the 20th century alone. And STILL no-one learns.

If some think that I am coming over as "aggressive", sometimes things need to said in plain English as opposed to mealy-mouthed politically correct weasel-words.

Oh yes, and I am probably closer to 9-11 than most, my brother's best friend Aaron having been smashed to molecules in one of the twin towers.

Actually FASCISM is a concept of any "wing". It is an ideology of creating scapegoats and enemies. A piece of history. Did you know that during the last War, the Unions refused to load the ships for the forces as Herr Hitler was a Socialist albeit a national one. The Government then "rebranded" Hitler's National Socialism, the ones who gassed and murdered my wife's family as "Right Wing" and not like the other murdering scum the Left Wing "Socialists" and Communists who bumped off so many of my family, because they were Jewish. See where I am going here?? The antics of the UAF and other extreme Left organizations that demonize and attack people is NO different, they are Left Wing FASCISTS. That bthey were prepared to do serious and probably fatal damage to others is a lesson we should not forget. They must be shunned for this reason. Likewise, those "religious" radicals are religious fascists for the same reason, as some of us don't pray in the right way, to a God who must be laughing at our infantile stupidity. The "Left" have murdered far more people than the "Right". Hitler about 22m, Stalin approx 35m and the outright winner MAO with 65m. All in all, over 170million people murdered by their own governments over the 20th century alone. And STILL no-one learns. If some think that I am coming over as "aggressive", sometimes things need to said in plain English as opposed to mealy-mouthed politically correct weasel-words. Oh yes, and I am probably closer to 9-11 than most, my brother's best friend Aaron having been smashed to molecules in one of the twin towers. Cllr Jeremy Zeid
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5:40pm Sat 12 Sep 09

Heather Davies says...

I am concerned that the totally beautiful and peaceful Hindus and the Sikhs will not be targeted. I hope that these peaceful people will be kept out of this violence caused by Muslim men in Harrow yesterday.
I am concerned that the totally beautiful and peaceful Hindus and the Sikhs will not be targeted. I hope that these peaceful people will be kept out of this violence caused by Muslim men in Harrow yesterday. Heather Davies
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5:47pm Sat 12 Sep 09

Cllr Jeremy Zeid says...

Heather Davies wrote:
I am concerned that the totally beautiful and peaceful Hindus and the Sikhs will not be targeted. I hope that these peaceful people will be kept out of this violence caused by Muslim men in Harrow yesterday.
I agree entirely. Let's not forget it wasn't the Muslim men OF Harrow, it was those who came TO Harrow.
[quote][p][bold]Heather Davies[/bold] wrote: I am concerned that the totally beautiful and peaceful Hindus and the Sikhs will not be targeted. I hope that these peaceful people will be kept out of this violence caused by Muslim men in Harrow yesterday. [/p][/quote]I agree entirely. Let's not forget it wasn't the Muslim men OF Harrow, it was those who came TO Harrow. Cllr Jeremy Zeid
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6:15pm Sat 12 Sep 09

SBE says...

Heather the Hitler of Wales.
Slander if wasn’t true. However, your beliefs resemble the Nazis and you can try to hide the FACT as much you like but it’s TRUE! Since your INCITING RACIAL HATRED I suggest its you that should be very careful, as that is now against the Law. Just like anyone trying to cover up their racist Nazi side, I like how you suddenly comment on how you love Hindus and Sikhs. Just earlier you comment on how the BNP receiving more votes will be a big favour to you. BNP SIOE NAZIS and YOU same thing!
Heather the Hitler of Wales. Slander if wasn’t true. However, your beliefs resemble the Nazis and you can try to hide the FACT as much you like but it’s TRUE! Since your INCITING RACIAL HATRED I suggest its you that should be very careful, as that is now against the Law. Just like anyone trying to cover up their racist Nazi side, I like how you suddenly comment on how you love Hindus and Sikhs. Just earlier you comment on how the BNP receiving more votes will be a big favour to you. BNP SIOE NAZIS and YOU same thing! SBE
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6:38pm Sat 12 Sep 09

Richard_at_Harrow says...

Are there any Jedi Knights online? I think we should meet.
Are there any Jedi Knights online? I think we should meet. Richard_at_Harrow
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6:47pm Sat 12 Sep 09

Richard_at_Harrow says...

SBE, manchester - shut up.
SBE, manchester - shut up. Richard_at_Harrow
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7:01pm Sat 12 Sep 09

Richard_at_Harrow says...

Scaning thru these comments.....
Heather has every right to voice an opinion. Stickupidiot - you are a complete tw@t as the good Cllr has suggested. You'll go far. And when you do - don't ever come back. Stud - give up this primeval cult. Where is this going to go? It's bad - very bad. You guys have no idea what you have started. On the day that we remembered the fires of 9/11 - what on earth have you idiots gone and done? I am recharging my lightsabre and convening a meeting of all Harrow Jedi Knights. It is time.
Scaning thru these comments..... Heather has every right to voice an opinion. Stickupidiot - you are a complete tw@t as the good Cllr has suggested. You'll go far. And when you do - don't ever come back. Stud - give up this primeval cult. Where is this going to go? It's bad - very bad. You guys have no idea what you have started. On the day that we remembered the fires of 9/11 - what on earth have you idiots gone and done? I am recharging my lightsabre and convening a meeting of all Harrow Jedi Knights. It is time. Richard_at_Harrow
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7:16pm Sat 12 Sep 09

Heather Davies says...

Cllr Jeremy Zeid wrote:
Heather Davies wrote: I am concerned that the totally beautiful and peaceful Hindus and the Sikhs will not be targeted. I hope that these peaceful people will be kept out of this violence caused by Muslim men in Harrow yesterday.
I agree entirely. Let's not forget it wasn't the Muslim men OF Harrow, it was those who came TO Harrow.
Jeremy, Jermey you delude yourself, but no-one else.
[quote][p][bold]Cllr Jeremy Zeid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Heather Davies[/bold] wrote: I am concerned that the totally beautiful and peaceful Hindus and the Sikhs will not be targeted. I hope that these peaceful people will be kept out of this violence caused by Muslim men in Harrow yesterday. [/p][/quote]I agree entirely. Let's not forget it wasn't the Muslim men OF Harrow, it was those who came TO Harrow.[/p][/quote]Jeremy, Jermey you delude yourself, but no-one else. Heather Davies
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7:25pm Sat 12 Sep 09

pricklypilgrim says...

joshisthebest4 wrote:
Mr Zeid i think you are missing the overall point of what has occured. Although not everyone there was from harrow, the fact that these masked thugs exist is the worrying problem, the fact that the protest errupted into violence in harrow is not the biggest problem here, it is the fact that the violence occured and placing the blame on near by communities is just not a good enough answer. There are obviously underlying social problems in not just the muslim community but the community as a whole and real hard work from the council is needed to fix it.
I thought I'd quote this piece of sense, in case it was missed in all the BLOCK CAPITALS and insults.

The problem isn't where the trouble-makers came from; it is that they found such fertile ground in Harrow in which to sow seeds of cultural enmity. Instead of insulting members of the electorate, members of the council would do better to discover (by *listening* to) the hopes and fears of the community as a whole and work out exactly what can be done to ensure peaceful co-existence. joshisthebest4 is right - something had to be wrong within Harrow itself for it to become such a tinderbox.
[quote][p][bold]joshisthebest4[/bold] wrote: Mr Zeid i think you are missing the overall point of what has occured. Although not everyone there was from harrow, the fact that these masked thugs exist is the worrying problem, the fact that the protest errupted into violence in harrow is not the biggest problem here, it is the fact that the violence occured and placing the blame on near by communities is just not a good enough answer. There are obviously underlying social problems in not just the muslim community but the community as a whole and real hard work from the council is needed to fix it.[/p][/quote]I thought I'd quote this piece of sense, in case it was missed in all the BLOCK CAPITALS and insults. The problem isn't where the trouble-makers came from; it is that they found such fertile ground in Harrow in which to sow seeds of cultural enmity. Instead of insulting members of the electorate, members of the council would do better to discover (by *listening* to) the hopes and fears of the community as a whole and work out exactly what can be done to ensure peaceful co-existence. joshisthebest4 is right - something had to be wrong within Harrow itself for it to become such a tinderbox. pricklypilgrim
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7:44pm Sat 12 Sep 09

Richard_at_Harrow says...

Saniflo of Birmingham said - "Islam wasn't spread by the sword like some religions."
The very first thing that Jesus did was to turn the other cheek. The very first thing the other chap did (PBOH - shhhh you know who) was to raise an army.
Hmmm - army of peace was it?
Saniflo of Birmingham said - "Islam wasn't spread by the sword like some religions." The very first thing that Jesus did was to turn the other cheek. The very first thing the other chap did (PBOH - shhhh you know who) was to raise an army. Hmmm - army of peace was it? Richard_at_Harrow
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7:47pm Sat 12 Sep 09

Richard_at_Harrow says...

pricklypilgrim - wrong? No way. It's hilarious.
pricklypilgrim - wrong? No way. It's hilarious. Richard_at_Harrow
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8:19pm Sat 12 Sep 09

SBE says...

Richard of Harrow your words about Islam are untrue and your hate for muslims makes you a sicko Nazi. You are trying to justify Nazi behaviour just like the supporters of Hitler did once upon a time. Yes just like YOU they thought they had good reasons for their sick treatment of the Jewish people. Don’t try denying it. You HATE a religion you know nothing about (absolutely nothing) and rely on Nazi videos posted on you tube and the media. Ever thought of getting a real education? You may discover the truth and will be doing yourself and the rest of Britain a big favour. Take a deep look inside yourself and you will find you are full of nothing but HATRED. I wonder what other sick thoughts cross your sick minds. What guidance do you have in your life? Don’t tell me the bnp and groups like sioe. Believe me they don’t really care about you. I mean what would they do if you or one of your loved ones were gay. They would HATE you too. These people HATE everyone it may be Muslim’s now but they will always HATE. HATE just doesn’t disappear from your system. One final piece of reality, the media is not a good source of education ever heard of the word propaganda. Seems like you may have fallen victim to thickness and too much TV. Hope you discover the truth one day for your own sake not mine.
Richard of Harrow your words about Islam are untrue and your hate for muslims makes you a sicko Nazi. You are trying to justify Nazi behaviour just like the supporters of Hitler did once upon a time. Yes just like YOU they thought they had good reasons for their sick treatment of the Jewish people. Don’t try denying it. You HATE a religion you know nothing about (absolutely nothing) and rely on Nazi videos posted on you tube and the media. Ever thought of getting a real education? You may discover the truth and will be doing yourself and the rest of Britain a big favour. Take a deep look inside yourself and you will find you are full of nothing but HATRED. I wonder what other sick thoughts cross your sick minds. What guidance do you have in your life? Don’t tell me the bnp and groups like sioe. Believe me they don’t really care about you. I mean what would they do if you or one of your loved ones were gay. They would HATE you too. These people HATE everyone it may be Muslim’s now but they will always HATE. HATE just doesn’t disappear from your system. One final piece of reality, the media is not a good source of education ever heard of the word propaganda. Seems like you may have fallen victim to thickness and too much TV. Hope you discover the truth one day for your own sake not mine. SBE
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9:14pm Sat 12 Sep 09

Richard_at_Harrow says...

God you're thick SBE.
God you're thick SBE. Richard_at_Harrow
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9:16pm Sat 12 Sep 09

Richard_at_Harrow says...

Lunatic more like.....
God - what a dumbass.
Lunatic more like..... God - what a dumbass. Richard_at_Harrow
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9:27pm Sat 12 Sep 09

Richard_at_Harrow says...

This ones for SBE (idiot). In deference to the Archbishop of Canterbury and the Royal Commission for Political Correctness, it was announced today that the local climate in the UK will no longer be referred to as "English Weather". Rather than offend a sizeable portion of the population (inc SBE), it will now be referred to as "Muslim Weather". In other words - partly Sunni, but mostly Shi'ite.
This ones for SBE (idiot). In deference to the Archbishop of Canterbury and the Royal Commission for Political Correctness, it was announced today that the local climate in the UK will no longer be referred to as "English Weather". Rather than offend a sizeable portion of the population (inc SBE), it will now be referred to as "Muslim Weather". In other words - partly Sunni, but mostly Shi'ite. Richard_at_Harrow
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9:35pm Sat 12 Sep 09

SBE says...

Is that the best you can come up with? What a waste of time. You have obviously sensed some truth; seriously it won’t hurt you to do a bit of research. Nevertheless it looks like you are clearly falling victim to your dark side! Why don’t you keep your Nazi comments to yourself from now on and listen to the force within you it too will tell you, your nothing but a NAZI/DV
Is that the best you can come up with? What a waste of time. You have obviously sensed some truth; seriously it won’t hurt you to do a bit of research. Nevertheless it looks like you are clearly falling victim to your dark side! Why don’t you keep your Nazi comments to yourself from now on and listen to the force within you it too will tell you, your nothing but a NAZI/DV SBE
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9:38pm Sat 12 Sep 09

Richard_at_Harrow says...

God you're thick SBE
God you're thick SBE Richard_at_Harrow
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9:40pm Sat 12 Sep 09

Richard_at_Harrow says...

SBE - do us a favour - disconnect your internet and never leave Manchester.
SBE - do us a favour - disconnect your internet and never leave Manchester. Richard_at_Harrow
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9:49pm Sat 12 Sep 09

Richard_at_Harrow says...

SBE - now don't take this the wrong way - but you need serious help. Even I am not qualified enough to be able to help you. You need a brain surgeon. Honest - they could dig up a dead one and give you a brain transplant. How can I put it? It would be a definite improvement.
SBE - now don't take this the wrong way - but you need serious help. Even I am not qualified enough to be able to help you. You need a brain surgeon. Honest - they could dig up a dead one and give you a brain transplant. How can I put it? It would be a definite improvement. Richard_at_Harrow
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9:57pm Sat 12 Sep 09

Richard_at_Harrow says...

Hey braindead, try jumpstarting your last braincell.
Hey braindead, try jumpstarting your last braincell. Richard_at_Harrow
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10:20pm Sat 12 Sep 09

Richard_at_Harrow says...

What's that? A powercut in Manchester? Oh - what's the idiot gone and done now?
What's that? A powercut in Manchester? Oh - what's the idiot gone and done now? Richard_at_Harrow
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10:24pm Sat 12 Sep 09

amy425 says...

The events in Harrow are sad to see. I lived there for many years. I hope peace is restored
The events in Harrow are sad to see. I lived there for many years. I hope peace is restored amy425
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10:31pm Sat 12 Sep 09

amy425 says...

I have just read the comments on here and glad to see that members of the Harrow community stand united. except for this Richard from Harrow person who is clearly a freak
urgggghhh
I have just read the comments on here and glad to see that members of the Harrow community stand united. except for this Richard from Harrow person who is clearly a freak urgggghhh amy425
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10:34pm Sat 12 Sep 09

Richard_at_Harrow says...

Ohhh urgggg thank you kindly my dear...
Ohhh urgggg thank you kindly my dear... Richard_at_Harrow
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10:38pm Sat 12 Sep 09

amy425 says...

videos of on the scene footage is available a link will be posted soon
videos of on the scene footage is available a link will be posted soon amy425
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12:51am Sun 13 Sep 09

spmalkani says...

PLEASE,everybody,CAL
M DOWN.
Hurling abuse at each other is the last thing we want to be doing, otherwise those who came into Harrow, with pre-meditated agendas, to cause mayhem in our home town will be rewarded for inciting so much hatred.We are not here to provide "entertainment" as one person indicated rather sadistically.Such misguided souls need our prayers and help.
They must be made to realise that their "divide and rule" policy is a failed ploy.Bickering amongst ourselves will only generate bitterness.
We must make sure that,in future, no one is given the opportunity to come in and abuse us in our own home.Of course,in a totally non-violent and law-abiding way.
To get to that point,it is vital that we let our tempers cool, so that we all can get together and forge concrete plans to make our diverse communities here genuinely appreciate that we all only have ONE COMMON ENEMY---anyone plotting to promote hatred in any shape or form.Let us make Harrow a" no-go" area for them.That means seriously building a very strong community.

PLEASE let us apply our minds and energies to looking carefully what we can do to strengthen the fabric of our borough so that it can withstand all sorts of challenges and bounce back,unscathed.
Who did what to whom and whatever will be analyzed in great detail.Meanwhile,we must get a hold over our raging emotions and harness those passions for the greater good.
This is not just about me or you,its about every single one of us.We are not wild beasts but civilized,educated human beings.
The Communities Minister and Home Office are contemplating changes tha to existing laws togrant powers to deal with unexpected situations like the ones that erupted in Harrow yesterday.
It is about the safety of our nation and of ALL of us.
The cost of policing something like this and others have been phenomenal,both financially and in human terms.Surely,as tax-payers we want all our monies to be used to help make society safer and not be sucked away foolishly,because we have lost our sense of discilpline.Do we really have to be policed to behave like decent human beings?How about showing some respect for each other and for those who we have chosen to protect us?
I humbly request anyone reading this to start coming up with genuine ideas and suggestions to take to the people in charge of our safety and security and help make our home,Harrow,safe from invaders.
Contact your local police teams and the Council and start the ball rolling.
God bless us all.

PLEASE,everybody,CAL M DOWN. Hurling abuse at each other is the last thing we want to be doing, otherwise those who came into Harrow, with pre-meditated agendas, to cause mayhem in our home town will be rewarded for inciting so much hatred.We are not here to provide "entertainment" as one person indicated rather sadistically.Such misguided souls need our prayers and help. They must be made to realise that their "divide and rule" policy is a failed ploy.Bickering amongst ourselves will only generate bitterness. We must make sure that,in future, no one is given the opportunity to come in and abuse us in our own home.Of course,in a totally non-violent and law-abiding way. To get to that point,it is vital that we let our tempers cool, so that we all can get together and forge concrete plans to make our diverse communities here genuinely appreciate that we all only have ONE COMMON ENEMY---anyone plotting to promote hatred in any shape or form.Let us make Harrow a" no-go" area for them.That means seriously building a very strong community. PLEASE let us apply our minds and energies to looking carefully what we can do to strengthen the fabric of our borough so that it can withstand all sorts of challenges and bounce back,unscathed. Who did what to whom and whatever will be analyzed in great detail.Meanwhile,we must get a hold over our raging emotions and harness those passions for the greater good. This is not just about me or you,its about every single one of us.We are not wild beasts but civilized,educated human beings. The Communities Minister and Home Office are contemplating changes tha to existing laws togrant powers to deal with unexpected situations like the ones that erupted in Harrow yesterday. It is about the safety of our nation and of ALL of us. The cost of policing something like this and others have been phenomenal,both financially and in human terms.Surely,as tax-payers we want all our monies to be used to help make society safer and not be sucked away foolishly,because we have lost our sense of discilpline.Do we really have to be policed to behave like decent human beings?How about showing some respect for each other and for those who we have chosen to protect us? I humbly request anyone reading this to start coming up with genuine ideas and suggestions to take to the people in charge of our safety and security and help make our home,Harrow,safe from invaders. Contact your local police teams and the Council and start the ball rolling. God bless us all. spmalkani
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1:18am Sun 13 Sep 09

SuperStudent18 says...

Everyone ignore Richard_at_Harrow, we have come to accept his nonsensical ravings as part and parcel of the defect he carries.
May they find a cure, Richard, and when they do, they can a dosage to Heather in Wales.
Everyone ignore Richard_at_Harrow, we have come to accept his nonsensical ravings as part and parcel of the defect he carries. May they find a cure, Richard, and when they do, they can a dosage to Heather in Wales. SuperStudent18
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1:56am Sun 13 Sep 09

Harrow United says...

I was there yesterday from 1.30pm till 8pm and as a Harrow resident I was proud of our Harrow people who were there in large numbers. I remember the times of the 1970s when the NF organised here - I and my friends were continually racially harassed going to school, and in the 1980s when there were a few racist murders and communities did not protest.

Please do your research on SIOE/EDL, you will see the involvement of BNP members and their intentions. See Saturday 12th Sept The Guardian - double spread - SIOE/EDL member giving a Nazi salute.

The anti-racists were diverse in age, ethnicity, race and gender. The atmosphere was friendly. Yes there were many young men there - some hot headed as you would find in any tense situation. Not all of them were Muslim. There were also many people like myself outraged that we should be threatened by a racist group - the council / police should have banned the SIOE demo after recent events in Luton and Birmingham. The reality is that in Luton recently, over 1500 SIOE/EDL thugs turned up, and Asian people and shops were attacked viciously. A man was killed in a racial attack in Tooting last week. What if this had happened in Harrow? We would have been grateful that there were young men present to challenge them.

Stephen Gash the odious organiser of SIOE had promised an organised self-escorted group that were supposed to meet at the station at 5pm and then proceed to the demo. He was in fact in Harrow and was arrested for committing a breach of the peace. Instead, they came in vans in small groups from different places - aggressive gangs, shouting racist slogans. I saw one group of them corralled by the police hurling abuse, chanting "EDL EDL" and one of them was filmed giving a Nazi salute. The police overall did a very good job and so did the stewards and individual anti-racists who helped keep the peace. Yes there were some stones thrown but this was done by a very small minority - nobody was hurt and no property was damaged. People did not run amok all over Wealdstone - the two incidents were brief and contained. I spoke to residents where the SIOE/EDL/BNP thugs were gathered and blocked by the police - they were appalled that these people had been allowed to even enter our borough, our community. Some of them applauded the youth for standing up to them.

The media have not reported things that I saw, for example, during a disturbance when some of the racists had been spotted - an elderly white gentleman was walking over the bridge to go the working men's club for a drink. He was unfazed by the large groups of mainly Asian and Afro-Caribbean lads around him, a few of whom made sure he was OK and walked with him to the club, chatting. This is Harrow.

The way we can combat fundamentalism of any kind is to come together, have dialogues, provide alternatives for young people, and organise around how we can prevent racist and fascist groups from threatening us and causing conflict between us. Let us not blame each other - but look to ways that we can prevent racists from ever coming here again. Make the SIOE/EDL pay for the policing costs. I will post some links that will show the news that was not reported. Please Harrow Times give us a fairer reporting - Tristan Kirk's reporting has not given us a fair picture and you have not let us have our say on his pages.
I was there yesterday from 1.30pm till 8pm and as a Harrow resident I was proud of our Harrow people who were there in large numbers. I remember the times of the 1970s when the NF organised here - I and my friends were continually racially harassed going to school, and in the 1980s when there were a few racist murders and communities did not protest. Please do your research on SIOE/EDL, you will see the involvement of BNP members and their intentions. See Saturday 12th Sept The Guardian - double spread - SIOE/EDL member giving a Nazi salute. The anti-racists were diverse in age, ethnicity, race and gender. The atmosphere was friendly. Yes there were many young men there - some hot headed as you would find in any tense situation. Not all of them were Muslim. There were also many people like myself outraged that we should be threatened by a racist group - the council / police should have banned the SIOE demo after recent events in Luton and Birmingham. The reality is that in Luton recently, over 1500 SIOE/EDL thugs turned up, and Asian people and shops were attacked viciously. A man was killed in a racial attack in Tooting last week. What if this had happened in Harrow? We would have been grateful that there were young men present to challenge them. Stephen Gash the odious organiser of SIOE had promised an organised self-escorted group that were supposed to meet at the station at 5pm and then proceed to the demo. He was in fact in Harrow and was arrested for committing a breach of the peace. Instead, they came in vans in small groups from different places - aggressive gangs, shouting racist slogans. I saw one group of them corralled by the police hurling abuse, chanting "EDL EDL" and one of them was filmed giving a Nazi salute. The police overall did a very good job and so did the stewards and individual anti-racists who helped keep the peace. Yes there were some stones thrown but this was done by a very small minority - nobody was hurt and no property was damaged. People did not run amok all over Wealdstone - the two incidents were brief and contained. I spoke to residents where the SIOE/EDL/BNP thugs were gathered and blocked by the police - they were appalled that these people had been allowed to even enter our borough, our community. Some of them applauded the youth for standing up to them. The media have not reported things that I saw, for example, during a disturbance when some of the racists had been spotted - an elderly white gentleman was walking over the bridge to go the working men's club for a drink. He was unfazed by the large groups of mainly Asian and Afro-Caribbean lads around him, a few of whom made sure he was OK and walked with him to the club, chatting. This is Harrow. The way we can combat fundamentalism of any kind is to come together, have dialogues, provide alternatives for young people, and organise around how we can prevent racist and fascist groups from threatening us and causing conflict between us. Let us not blame each other - but look to ways that we can prevent racists from ever coming here again. Make the SIOE/EDL pay for the policing costs. I will post some links that will show the news that was not reported. Please Harrow Times give us a fairer reporting - Tristan Kirk's reporting has not given us a fair picture and you have not let us have our say on his pages. Harrow United
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2:08am Sun 13 Sep 09

Cllr Jeremy Zeid says...

Three points.

1. pricklypilgrim. There is nothing "wrong" in Harrow that caused this, in the same way that there is nothing "wrong" with your body when it invaded by a virus. In the second case the body's immune system, unless fatally weakened, eventually gets rid of the virus. In the first case, the "immune system" of a healthy community, gets rid of the disruptive and dangerous.

2. I thought that I remembered Heather Davies, she used to live opposite Harrow Leisure Centre. Sorry that you seem to have a different experience of Kenton. BTW, I was elected because my fellow residents reckoned that I could serve them and do a reasonable job on their behalf. Harrow is just fine.

3. spmalkani. Sorry, but any suggestion that the cretinous "New" Labour "Communities Minister" and the useless interfering, dysfunctional Home Office could run a bath, let alone sort this out, is to seriously over-estimate them. They and this idiot infested government are the problem. It is precisely their ham-fisted tinkering, blundering interference and crass stupidity that has caused so much of this. I suggest that we need far FEWER "tough new laws", far LESS interference, the clearout of a General Election and a government that minds its own business and leaves us the hell alone.. Every time these blundering, ham-fisted, hatchet-faced, incompetents open their mouths without engaging the brains they don't have, we get more problems because these blustering cretins always think that they know best and are incapable of considering any logical consequences of their actions. All they care about is the next "eye-catching headline" and their own petty egos.

This needs an urgent, full and frank, no-holds-barred discussion, at least an Hour, at the next meeting of HPCCG, Harrow Police and Community Consultative Group. Public welcome to attend and observe.

I suspect that this will be an urgent addition to the Cabinet agenda next Thursday 7.30pm Committee Rooms 1&2, public welcome. Questions can only be asked if submitted in advance, me included.

This will also be raised and discussed at the next Full Council, again, public welcome to attend. The are public questions, but questions must be forwarded in advance and in writing, check the website or ring the Civic Centre and ask for Democratic Services. Check the harrow.gov.uk website for dates.

Oh yes, rcbaron, quite agree.... Hi Rodney, long time no see.
Three points. 1. pricklypilgrim. There is nothing "wrong" in Harrow that caused this, in the same way that there is nothing "wrong" with your body when it invaded by a virus. In the second case the body's immune system, unless fatally weakened, eventually gets rid of the virus. In the first case, the "immune system" of a healthy community, gets rid of the disruptive and dangerous. 2. I thought that I remembered Heather Davies, she used to live opposite Harrow Leisure Centre. Sorry that you seem to have a different experience of Kenton. BTW, I was elected because my fellow residents reckoned that I could serve them and do a reasonable job on their behalf. Harrow is just fine. 3. spmalkani. Sorry, but any suggestion that the cretinous "New" Labour "Communities Minister" and the useless interfering, dysfunctional Home Office could run a bath, let alone sort this out, is to seriously over-estimate them. They and this idiot infested government are the problem. It is precisely their ham-fisted tinkering, blundering interference and crass stupidity that has caused so much of this. I suggest that we need far FEWER "tough new laws", far LESS interference, the clearout of a General Election and a government that minds its own business and leaves us the hell alone.. Every time these blundering, ham-fisted, hatchet-faced, incompetents open their mouths without engaging the brains they don't have, we get more problems because these blustering cretins always think that they know best and are incapable of considering any logical consequences of their actions. All they care about is the next "eye-catching headline" and their own petty egos. This needs an urgent, full and frank, no-holds-barred discussion, at least an Hour, at the next meeting of HPCCG, Harrow Police and Community Consultative Group. Public welcome to attend and observe. I suspect that this will be an urgent addition to the Cabinet agenda next Thursday 7.30pm Committee Rooms 1&2, public welcome. Questions can only be asked if submitted in advance, me included. This will also be raised and discussed at the next Full Council, again, public welcome to attend. The are public questions, but questions must be forwarded in advance and in writing, check the website or ring the Civic Centre and ask for Democratic Services. Check the harrow.gov.uk website for dates. Oh yes, rcbaron, quite agree.... Hi Rodney, long time no see. Cllr Jeremy Zeid
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2:16am Sun 13 Sep 09

Harrow United says...

One thing I must add to my previous post having read some of the previous postings, that the Asian and Afro-Caribbean lads who walked with the gentleman over the bridge and made sure he was OK also consisted of visibly Muslim lads. One thing that the press and the public do not seem to realise that not all the young men were Muslim, and there seems to have been alot of assumptions made based on skin colour.
One thing I must add to my previous post having read some of the previous postings, that the Asian and Afro-Caribbean lads who walked with the gentleman over the bridge and made sure he was OK also consisted of visibly Muslim lads. One thing that the press and the public do not seem to realise that not all the young men were Muslim, and there seems to have been alot of assumptions made based on skin colour. Harrow United
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2:35am Sun 13 Sep 09

Harrow United says...

To Harrow Times: RE: Tristan Kirk's reports.

If you go online you will now see racist group websites using Tristan Kirk's reports because of the particularly emotional language he has used. They have particularly liked " Hoards of rampaging young Asian men..." and "the baying crowd..." well you can imagine the racist vitriol they have written quoting our local paper. Own goal Harrow Times...
To Harrow Times: RE: Tristan Kirk's reports. If you go online you will now see racist group websites using Tristan Kirk's reports because of the particularly emotional language he has used. They have particularly liked " Hoards of rampaging young Asian men..." and "the baying crowd..." well you can imagine the racist vitriol they have written quoting our local paper. Own goal Harrow Times... Harrow United
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2:46am Sun 13 Sep 09

Harrow United says...

Here is the proof of one of the SIOE/EDL gangs that were in Harrow yesterday shouting "EDL EDL" and one of them giving a Nazi salute.

http://www.youtube.c
om/user/harrowunited
#play/uploads/0/-mdw
kJhGBBM
Here is the proof of one of the SIOE/EDL gangs that were in Harrow yesterday shouting "EDL EDL" and one of them giving a Nazi salute. http://www.youtube.c om/user/harrowunited #play/uploads/0/-mdw kJhGBBM Harrow United
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3:39am Sun 13 Sep 09

spmalkani says...

The Harrow Police & Community Consultative group meeting will not be blocking an hour for discussing the recent demonstrations but will only speak about this for a short while as we have a packed agenda to get through and a pre-arranged presentation.
We should arrange to have a joint public discussion of key partners including Harrow Police,the Council, HPCCG and Harrow Central Mosque among others.
Please,let us all cool down first and re-assure our communities that it's business as usual in Harrow.Plenty of time to do the rest later.
The Harrow Police & Community Consultative group meeting will not be blocking an hour for discussing the recent demonstrations but will only speak about this for a short while as we have a packed agenda to get through and a pre-arranged presentation. We should arrange to have a joint public discussion of key partners including Harrow Police,the Council, HPCCG and Harrow Central Mosque among others. Please,let us all cool down first and re-assure our communities that it's business as usual in Harrow.Plenty of time to do the rest later. spmalkani
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4:44am Sun 13 Sep 09

Cllr Jeremy Zeid says...

spmalkani wrote:
The Harrow Police & Community Consultative group meeting will not be blocking an hour for discussing the recent demonstrations but will only speak about this for a short while as we have a packed agenda to get through and a pre-arranged presentation.
We should arrange to have a joint public discussion of key partners including Harrow Police,the Council, HPCCG and Harrow Central Mosque among others.
Please,let us all cool down first and re-assure our communities that it's business as usual in Harrow.Plenty of time to do the rest later.
Sorry, but I disagree. This is by far the most important issue and should be discussed asap. I am very disappointed at this response. It won't go away and needs to be dealt with while memories are clear and I don't intend to be silent on the thugs and masked bully-boys attached to and whipped up by the laughingly named "Unite Against Fascism"

Most of the HPCCG agenda is taken up with repetition, statistics and presentations, the next time would be better used discussing this incident and learning from it. An HOUR should be about right and I would suggest clearing the rest of the agenda to do this, it is hardly earth-shattering stuff.

We are fortunate in Harrow that normally we can indulge in the luxury of arguing about the statistics attached to low crime figures. This time it is very different.

Now that we have had this violence caused entirely by radicals from outside and the ghastly UAF and their class warriors, it is the ONLY matter that should be on the agenda and I am certain that the other members will agree. I suggest putting it vto a show of hands or a secret ballot on the evening.

Come what may, I will be there and asking questions, based on what I saw and experienced on the front line.

The tax funded HPCCG owes the people of Harrow that forum as a right. Sorry if that doesn't fit into the usual neat, well-controlled agenda, but racist and fascist left, right and religious thugs have a habit of being rather "inconvenient" and not fitting in with a comfortable agenda.

Either HPCCG is a racial and policing forum in REAL TIME or it is nothing. The taxpayer who pays the grant that funds it, rightly demands that it is. Your call. I will be there.
[quote][p][bold]spmalkani[/bold] wrote: The Harrow Police & Community Consultative group meeting will not be blocking an hour for discussing the recent demonstrations but will only speak about this for a short while as we have a packed agenda to get through and a pre-arranged presentation. We should arrange to have a joint public discussion of key partners including Harrow Police,the Council, HPCCG and Harrow Central Mosque among others. Please,let us all cool down first and re-assure our communities that it's business as usual in Harrow.Plenty of time to do the rest later.[/p][/quote]Sorry, but I disagree. This is by far the most important issue and should be discussed asap. I am very disappointed at this response. It won't go away and needs to be dealt with while memories are clear and I don't intend to be silent on the thugs and masked bully-boys attached to and whipped up by the laughingly named "Unite Against Fascism" Most of the HPCCG agenda is taken up with repetition, statistics and presentations, the next time would be better used discussing this incident and learning from it. An HOUR should be about right and I would suggest clearing the rest of the agenda to do this, it is hardly earth-shattering stuff. We are fortunate in Harrow that normally we can indulge in the luxury of arguing about the statistics attached to low crime figures. This time it is very different. Now that we have had this violence caused entirely by radicals from outside and the ghastly UAF and their class warriors, it is the ONLY matter that should be on the agenda and I am certain that the other members will agree. I suggest putting it vto a show of hands or a secret ballot on the evening. Come what may, I will be there and asking questions, based on what I saw and experienced on the front line. The tax funded HPCCG owes the people of Harrow that forum as a right. Sorry if that doesn't fit into the usual neat, well-controlled agenda, but racist and fascist left, right and religious thugs have a habit of being rather "inconvenient" and not fitting in with a comfortable agenda. Either HPCCG is a racial and policing forum in REAL TIME or it is nothing. The taxpayer who pays the grant that funds it, rightly demands that it is. Your call. I will be there. Cllr Jeremy Zeid
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9:52am Sun 13 Sep 09

DimSum says...

I can't beleive the rubbish being posted here.

The Harrow area is a disgrace.
I can't beleive the rubbish being posted here. The Harrow area is a disgrace. DimSum
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11:24am Sun 13 Sep 09

SBE says...

Harrow United wrote:
To Harrow Times: RE: Tristan Kirk's reports. If you go online you will now see racist group websites using Tristan Kirk's reports because of the particularly emotional language he has used. They have particularly liked " Hoards of rampaging young Asian men..." and "the baying crowd..." well you can imagine the racist vitriol they have written quoting our local paper. Own goal Harrow Times...
The report by Tristan Kirk received roughly 50 messages but these were removed and now you cannot comment. The report is of course very biased but that’s the media for you.
[quote][p][bold]Harrow United[/bold] wrote: To Harrow Times: RE: Tristan Kirk's reports. If you go online you will now see racist group websites using Tristan Kirk's reports because of the particularly emotional language he has used. They have particularly liked " Hoards of rampaging young Asian men..." and "the baying crowd..." well you can imagine the racist vitriol they have written quoting our local paper. Own goal Harrow Times...[/p][/quote]The report by Tristan Kirk received roughly 50 messages but these were removed and now you cannot comment. The report is of course very biased but that’s the media for you. SBE
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11:48am Sun 13 Sep 09

Cllr Jeremy Zeid says...

No "DimSum", Harrow is NOT a disgrace, because we as a community came together.

But then of course the elective dictatorship, the strictly controlled gilded cage police-state that is Singapore is heaven on Earth.

What is a disgrace, is that from thousands of miles away you make idiotic and ill-informed statements.

It may not be perfect here soon we will vote our control-freak dictators OUT in a real election.

For my part, I will stay in my "disgraceful" but FREE and uncensored Harrow with the elections next year.

You on the other hand can never be sure when your State decides what freedoms you should enjoy or should be removed "for your own good of course", Can't have the proles having too much liberty can we. You even have to apply for an EXIT PERMIT to leave your own country.

I hope that it never happens to you, but unlike here, you can never be sure. Twitchy prisoners, always uncertain as to what will be announced next, in a comfortable, air-conditioned, well swept, media-controlled, sealed border, golden penitentiary, where repressive laws and legal process is used to muzzle and criminalize all and any criticism of the government.

Yep, give me "disgraceful" Harrow, freedom and all of the rest of it. Despite Labour's best efforts we aren't in a open prison yet, and next year they will be OUT. As for Singapore, from what I have heard, beautifully clean, but watch your back for the agents of the State.
No "DimSum", Harrow is NOT a disgrace, because we as a community came together. But then of course the elective dictatorship, the strictly controlled gilded cage police-state that is Singapore is heaven on Earth. What is a disgrace, is that from thousands of miles away you make idiotic and ill-informed statements. It may not be perfect here soon we will vote our control-freak dictators OUT in a real election. For my part, I will stay in my "disgraceful" but FREE and uncensored Harrow with the elections next year. You on the other hand can never be sure when your State decides what freedoms you should enjoy or should be removed "for your own good of course", Can't have the proles having too much liberty can we. You even have to apply for an EXIT PERMIT to leave your own country. I hope that it never happens to you, but unlike here, you can never be sure. Twitchy prisoners, always uncertain as to what will be announced next, in a comfortable, air-conditioned, well swept, media-controlled, sealed border, golden penitentiary, where repressive laws and legal process is used to muzzle and criminalize all and any criticism of the government. Yep, give me "disgraceful" Harrow, freedom and all of the rest of it. Despite Labour's best efforts we aren't in a open prison yet, and next year they will be OUT. As for Singapore, from what I have heard, beautifully clean, but watch your back for the agents of the State. Cllr Jeremy Zeid
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12:21pm Sun 13 Sep 09

Cllr Jeremy Zeid says...

SBE wrote:
Harrow United wrote:
To Harrow Times: RE: Tristan Kirk's reports. If you go online you will now see racist group websites using Tristan Kirk's reports because of the particularly emotional language he has used. They have particularly liked " Hoards of rampaging young Asian men..." and "the baying crowd..." well you can imagine the racist vitriol they have written quoting our local paper. Own goal Harrow Times...
The report by Tristan Kirk received roughly 50 messages but these were removed and now you cannot comment. The report is of course very biased but that’s the media for you.
Sorry guys, but Tristan's report was ACCURATE. I witnessed it first hand and I have seen extensive footage of "Hoards of rampaging young Asian men", what else should he have reported? A large crowd of indeterminate gendered, variously apparelled people of uncertain racial origin, sauntered toward the station to extend greetings, fellowship and understanding in a spirit of free speech????

And again sorry guys, but the crowd was baying and being whipped up by the UAF and radicals from outside.

That ONE member of the dozen or so berks from the EDL shouted "EDL EDL" is hardly "Inflammatory" or "intimidating" and with all due respect not even "threatening". ONE person for goodness sakes, is that how insecure we all are?

What is intimidating to many, and this is NOT a swipe at Islam, although it is a swipe at those agitators and "warriors" who came from outside to whip up the crowd, but a very large crowd of hyped up young men, many with covered faces, shouting slogans and waving their arms in the air can be very unsettling.

As for the comments being removed, I suspect that THEY were the inflammatory and dangerous ones. Don't accuse Tristan, he is an honest and impartial journalist who reported what he saw and that tallies EXACTLY with what I saw, unlike the BBC who seemed to make it up as they went along.

Sorry guys, but the truth is sometimes painful. This needs to be discussed like adults with the admission that we all made mistakes and share the blame. Truth be told again, but the "defenders" who came from far and wide, some armed with knuckledusters and iron bars, yes it's true, were the real instigators of violence as were the khaffiyah masked "students" who hid behind walls to throw missiles at the police who had done nothing but try to stop violence.

There are those who need to look deeply within themselves and who have dragged Islam through the mud and besmirched the wholly innocent and righteous Harrow Mosque by association. I hope that you can live with yourselves.
[quote][p][bold]SBE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harrow United[/bold] wrote: To Harrow Times: RE: Tristan Kirk's reports. If you go online you will now see racist group websites using Tristan Kirk's reports because of the particularly emotional language he has used. They have particularly liked " Hoards of rampaging young Asian men..." and "the baying crowd..." well you can imagine the racist vitriol they have written quoting our local paper. Own goal Harrow Times...[/p][/quote]The report by Tristan Kirk received roughly 50 messages but these were removed and now you cannot comment. The report is of course very biased but that’s the media for you. [/p][/quote]Sorry guys, but Tristan's report was ACCURATE. I witnessed it first hand and I have seen extensive footage of "Hoards of rampaging young Asian men", what else should he have reported? A large crowd of indeterminate gendered, variously apparelled people of uncertain racial origin, sauntered toward the station to extend greetings, fellowship and understanding in a spirit of free speech???? And again sorry guys, but the crowd was baying and being whipped up by the UAF and radicals from outside. That ONE member of the dozen or so berks from the EDL shouted "EDL EDL" is hardly "Inflammatory" or "intimidating" and with all due respect not even "threatening". ONE person for goodness sakes, is that how insecure we all are? What is intimidating to many, and this is NOT a swipe at Islam, although it is a swipe at those agitators and "warriors" who came from outside to whip up the crowd, but a very large crowd of hyped up young men, many with covered faces, shouting slogans and waving their arms in the air can be very unsettling. As for the comments being removed, I suspect that THEY were the inflammatory and dangerous ones. Don't accuse Tristan, he is an honest and impartial journalist who reported what he saw and that tallies EXACTLY with what I saw, unlike the BBC who seemed to make it up as they went along. Sorry guys, but the truth is sometimes painful. This needs to be discussed like adults with the admission that we all made mistakes and share the blame. Truth be told again, but the "defenders" who came from far and wide, some armed with knuckledusters and iron bars, yes it's true, were the real instigators of violence as were the khaffiyah masked "students" who hid behind walls to throw missiles at the police who had done nothing but try to stop violence. There are those who need to look deeply within themselves and who have dragged Islam through the mud and besmirched the wholly innocent and righteous Harrow Mosque by association. I hope that you can live with yourselves. Cllr Jeremy Zeid
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2:24pm Sun 13 Sep 09

Anti-Nazi says...

On behalf of Brent & Harrow Unite Against Fascism, I would like to correct a few of the inaccuracies in posts above. I was on the scene on Friday from about 1.00 pm until 7.30pm. With others, I went to the Mosque to deliver a statement supporting them for which we had collected signatures from several hundred local people of all faiths and from all communities along with messages of support that had been emailed to uafbrentandharrow@go
oglemail.com from the Bishop of Willesden, members of the executive of the National Union of Teachers and many others. We held a rally with speakers including the MP, London Assembly member, Weyman Bennett from UAF and trade unionists asserting support for the mosque.
I can state categroically that Unite Against Fascism were NOT inciting young men to violence. I was on the megaphone calling for groups who ran off when they thought the fascists from the EDL had been spotted to do as the mosque stewards were asking and return to defend the mosque. We had called for a large, united demonstration to defend the mosque and the unity of Harrow's community. We had that. A demonstration so large and so united that it was crystal clear to SIOE/EDL that they and their divisive views ARE NOT WELCOME IN HARROW. The actions of small groups detracted from this demonstration so that it was hardly reported.
The editor of the Harrow Times group, Rachel Sharp, put out a maginificent statement of defence for Harrow's community and Harrow's mosque, but the paper's reporters Jack Royston and Tristram Kirk seem very biased towards the EDL. It was Jack Royston, after all, who headlined his report shortly before the demo, "Numbers swelling for 9/11 Mosque Protest." Giving the impression that SOIE/EDL would be bringing large numbers to protest against the mosque on a Friday in Ramadan. Is it any wonder that people felt it necessary to respond by mobilising large numbers to defend their mosque and their community?
If the EDL had been allowed to demonstrate unopposed in Harrow as they did in Luton, they would have been back for more. If there had not been an organised demonstration in oppositiont to the fascists, the outcome could have been far more violent. As it was, there was a large, overwhelmingly peacful, multi-racial protest against their attempts to spread hatred and divide us.
Harrow is united and will not be divided.
Sarah Cox, UAF Brent & Harrow
On behalf of Brent & Harrow Unite Against Fascism, I would like to correct a few of the inaccuracies in posts above. I was on the scene on Friday from about 1.00 pm until 7.30pm. With others, I went to the Mosque to deliver a statement supporting them for which we had collected signatures from several hundred local people of all faiths and from all communities along with messages of support that had been emailed to uafbrentandharrow@go oglemail.com from the Bishop of Willesden, members of the executive of the National Union of Teachers and many others. We held a rally with speakers including the MP, London Assembly member, Weyman Bennett from UAF and trade unionists asserting support for the mosque. I can state categroically that Unite Against Fascism were NOT inciting young men to violence. I was on the megaphone calling for groups who ran off when they thought the fascists from the EDL had been spotted to do as the mosque stewards were asking and return to defend the mosque. We had called for a large, united demonstration to defend the mosque and the unity of Harrow's community. We had that. A demonstration so large and so united that it was crystal clear to SIOE/EDL that they and their divisive views ARE NOT WELCOME IN HARROW. The actions of small groups detracted from this demonstration so that it was hardly reported. The editor of the Harrow Times group, Rachel Sharp, put out a maginificent statement of defence for Harrow's community and Harrow's mosque, but the paper's reporters Jack Royston and Tristram Kirk seem very biased towards the EDL. It was Jack Royston, after all, who headlined his report shortly before the demo, "Numbers swelling for 9/11 Mosque Protest." Giving the impression that SOIE/EDL would be bringing large numbers to protest against the mosque on a Friday in Ramadan. Is it any wonder that people felt it necessary to respond by mobilising large numbers to defend their mosque and their community? If the EDL had been allowed to demonstrate unopposed in Harrow as they did in Luton, they would have been back for more. If there had not been an organised demonstration in oppositiont to the fascists, the outcome could have been far more violent. As it was, there was a large, overwhelmingly peacful, multi-racial protest against their attempts to spread hatred and divide us. Harrow is united and will not be divided. Sarah Cox, UAF Brent & Harrow Anti-Nazi
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2:54pm Sun 13 Sep 09

Cllr Jeremy Zeid says...

Sarah Cox UAF.... RUBBISH.

Your placards were inaccurate. The "students" you whipped up didn't have clue what the "protest" was about.

Your "announcements" and slogans were inflammatory.

You were NOT there to "support" the Mosque. You were the usual bunch of assorted Marxists and Trots engaged in the boring and tedious class war. many of your sheeplike "followers" even admitted that they were here to fight "capitalism".

It is a sham that under the UAF banner lies a highly FASCISTIC hard-left ideology.

And can can yo explain why some of the WHITE UAF supporters who were clustered around the UAF banners and megaphone had their FACES COVERED.

Why, when it was clear that only a handful of EDL protesters had arrived did UAF not tell people to calm down and go home.

"Unite" came over as a union of left-wing thugs.

As for the Harrow Mosque, I can assure you Sarah, that they despise your lot as much as the EDL and the religious extremists who turned up.

The extreme Right are not welcome in Harrow and neither are the Left, who from as far back as I can remember are almost always the source of the unrest and violence.

As you say, Harrow is UNITED, but not under your hypocritical and divisive intolerant, violent fascist-left banner.
Sarah Cox UAF.... RUBBISH. Your placards were inaccurate. The "students" you whipped up didn't have clue what the "protest" was about. Your "announcements" and slogans were inflammatory. You were NOT there to "support" the Mosque. You were the usual bunch of assorted Marxists and Trots engaged in the boring and tedious class war. many of your sheeplike "followers" even admitted that they were here to fight "capitalism". It is a sham that under the UAF banner lies a highly FASCISTIC hard-left ideology. And can can yo explain why some of the WHITE UAF supporters who were clustered around the UAF banners and megaphone had their FACES COVERED. Why, when it was clear that only a handful of EDL protesters had arrived did UAF not tell people to calm down and go home. "Unite" came over as a union of left-wing thugs. As for the Harrow Mosque, I can assure you Sarah, that they despise your lot as much as the EDL and the religious extremists who turned up. The extreme Right are not welcome in Harrow and neither are the Left, who from as far back as I can remember are almost always the source of the unrest and violence. As you say, Harrow is UNITED, but not under your hypocritical and divisive intolerant, violent fascist-left banner. Cllr Jeremy Zeid
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3:11pm Sun 13 Sep 09

Cllr Jeremy Zeid says...

Oh yes Sarah UAF, Jack Royston and Tristan Kirk reported ACCURATELY. Unfortunately it is not your version of accuracy wher the people's heroes of the UAF singlehandedly saved the day.

The UAF and the religious extremists adopted for the day, triggered the violence. For the most part, apart from rumours, there was not a single EDL/SIOE member in sight. No EDL march, and no demo.

Oh and by the way, the Mosque had cross-party support, especially the CONSERVATIVE ruling group, some of us putting ourselves in jeopardy defending our community, but then this cold hard truth doesn't suit you. The hard-left always trying to distort reality.

And please do not tell us that you are defending freedom, belief or democracy when you of the dangerous hard-left are incapable of allowing that freedom to those with whom you disagree.

How you can say that the demonstration was "so united" with a straight face? United in hatred and violence maybe. United in peace and freedom of speech, I don't think so.

You hypocrites represent no-one here.
Oh yes Sarah UAF, Jack Royston and Tristan Kirk reported ACCURATELY. Unfortunately it is not your version of accuracy wher the people's heroes of the UAF singlehandedly saved the day. The UAF and the religious extremists adopted for the day, triggered the violence. For the most part, apart from rumours, there was not a single EDL/SIOE member in sight. No EDL march, and no demo. Oh and by the way, the Mosque had cross-party support, especially the CONSERVATIVE ruling group, some of us putting ourselves in jeopardy defending our community, but then this cold hard truth doesn't suit you. The hard-left always trying to distort reality. And please do not tell us that you are defending freedom, belief or democracy when you of the dangerous hard-left are incapable of allowing that freedom to those with whom you disagree. How you can say that the demonstration was "so united" with a straight face? United in hatred and violence maybe. United in peace and freedom of speech, I don't think so. You hypocrites represent no-one here. Cllr Jeremy Zeid
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3:12pm Sun 13 Sep 09

Cllr Jeremy Zeid says...

Oh yes Sarah UAF, Jack Royston and Tristan Kirk reported ACCURATELY. Unfortunately it is not your version of accuracy where the people's heroes of the UAF singlehandedly saved the day.

The UAF and the religious extremists and masked hatemongers you adopted for the day, triggered the violence. For the most part, apart from rumours, there was not a single EDL/SIOE member in sight. No EDL march, and no demo.

Oh and by the way, the Mosque had cross-party support, especially the CONSERVATIVE ruling group, some of us putting ourselves in jeopardy defending our community, but then this cold hard truth doesn't suit you. The hard-left always trying to distort reality.

And please do not tell us that you are defending freedom, belief or democracy when you of the dangerous hard-left are incapable of allowing that freedom to those with whom you disagree.

How you can say that the demonstration was "so united" with a straight face? United in hatred and violence maybe. United in peace and freedom of speech, I don't think so.

You hypocrites represent no-one here.
Oh yes Sarah UAF, Jack Royston and Tristan Kirk reported ACCURATELY. Unfortunately it is not your version of accuracy where the people's heroes of the UAF singlehandedly saved the day. The UAF and the religious extremists and masked hatemongers you adopted for the day, triggered the violence. For the most part, apart from rumours, there was not a single EDL/SIOE member in sight. No EDL march, and no demo. Oh and by the way, the Mosque had cross-party support, especially the CONSERVATIVE ruling group, some of us putting ourselves in jeopardy defending our community, but then this cold hard truth doesn't suit you. The hard-left always trying to distort reality. And please do not tell us that you are defending freedom, belief or democracy when you of the dangerous hard-left are incapable of allowing that freedom to those with whom you disagree. How you can say that the demonstration was "so united" with a straight face? United in hatred and violence maybe. United in peace and freedom of speech, I don't think so. You hypocrites represent no-one here. Cllr Jeremy Zeid
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4:48pm Sun 13 Sep 09

amy425 says...

After reading Tristan’s report I feel it is biased and seems to favour the group of men who arrived to protest against the mosque. Makes them sound so innocent. The things that Tristan fails to mention are as follows. Firstly, did you witness what these people did in Luton? Didn’t think so, I did and I have to say if such people were protesting against my place of worship I would be very angry too. Did you see the damaged these people did to local businesses? What if they did the same to the mosque? If these people were to protest against my church, I’ll tell you now I wouldn’t let them anywhere near it. If such people were a threat to you and your loved ones you too would react in anger. Please don’t tell me you would invite them in for a cup of tea and try reasoning with them. Such protests should not be allowed in the first place but don’t tell me these good for nothing people have the right to insult religions and places of worship, as its just freedom of speech. Also the people outside that mosque were united to protect that mosque. Already angry as I have just explained, were these people further provoked? Or did they just charge. I have seen footage of the SIOE making provoking gestures but don’t tell me Tristan’s was on a break and missed that bit (There are 2 Pics on Harrow times site which show some provoking behaviour, so NO Tristan did not miss any of it). You have a group of angry and insulted people, if you started making such gestures what would you expect them to do. Further to the accuracy of Tristan’s report which states, a group of young ASIAN men chased a small group of protesters. I THOUGHT THEY HAD THEIR FACES COVERED, did Tristan Kirk run after them to ask them their ethnicity or has this reporter made a generalised INACCURATE assumption?

After reading Tristan’s report I feel it is biased and seems to favour the group of men who arrived to protest against the mosque. Makes them sound so innocent. The things that Tristan fails to mention are as follows. Firstly, did you witness what these people did in Luton? Didn’t think so, I did and I have to say if such people were protesting against my place of worship I would be very angry too. Did you see the damaged these people did to local businesses? What if they did the same to the mosque? If these people were to protest against my church, I’ll tell you now I wouldn’t let them anywhere near it. If such people were a threat to you and your loved ones you too would react in anger. Please don’t tell me you would invite them in for a cup of tea and try reasoning with them. Such protests should not be allowed in the first place but don’t tell me these good for nothing people have the right to insult religions and places of worship, as its just freedom of speech. Also the people outside that mosque were united to protect that mosque. Already angry as I have just explained, were these people further provoked? Or did they just charge. I have seen footage of the SIOE making provoking gestures but don’t tell me Tristan’s was on a break and missed that bit (There are 2 Pics on Harrow times site which show some provoking behaviour, so NO Tristan did not miss any of it). You have a group of angry and insulted people, if you started making such gestures what would you expect them to do. Further to the accuracy of Tristan’s report which states, a group of young ASIAN men chased a small group of protesters. I THOUGHT THEY HAD THEIR FACES COVERED, did Tristan Kirk run after them to ask them their ethnicity or has this reporter made a generalised INACCURATE assumption? amy425
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4:54pm Sun 13 Sep 09

amy425 says...

After reading Tristan’s report I feel it is biased and seems to favour the group of men who arrived to protest against the mosque. Makes them sound so innocent. The things that Tristan fails to mention are as follows. Firstly, did you witness what these people did in Luton? Didn’t think so, I did and I have to say if such people were protesting against my place of worship I would be very angry too. Did you see the damaged these people did to local businesses? What if they did the same to the mosque? If these people were to protest against my church, I’ll tell you now I wouldn’t let them anywhere near it. If such people were a threat to you and your loved ones you too would react in anger. Please don’t tell me you would invite them in for a cup of tea and try reasoning with them. Such protests should not be allowed in the first place but don’t tell me these good for nothing people have the right to insult religions and places of worship, as its just freedom of speech. Also the people outside that mosque were united to protect that mosque. Already angry as I have just explained, were these people further provoked? Or did they just charge. I have seen footage of the SIOE making provoking gestures but don’t tell me Tristan’s was on a break and missed that bit (There are 2 Pics on Harrow times site which show some provoking behaviour, so NO Tristan did not miss any of it). You have a group of angry and insulted people, if you started making such gestures what would you expect them to do. Further to the accuracy of Tristan’s report which states, a group of young ASIAN men chased a small group of protesters. I THOUGHT THEY HAD THEIR FACES COVERED, did Tristan Kirk run after them to ask them their ethnicity or has this reporter made a generalised INACCURATE assumption?

After reading Tristan’s report I feel it is biased and seems to favour the group of men who arrived to protest against the mosque. Makes them sound so innocent. The things that Tristan fails to mention are as follows. Firstly, did you witness what these people did in Luton? Didn’t think so, I did and I have to say if such people were protesting against my place of worship I would be very angry too. Did you see the damaged these people did to local businesses? What if they did the same to the mosque? If these people were to protest against my church, I’ll tell you now I wouldn’t let them anywhere near it. If such people were a threat to you and your loved ones you too would react in anger. Please don’t tell me you would invite them in for a cup of tea and try reasoning with them. Such protests should not be allowed in the first place but don’t tell me these good for nothing people have the right to insult religions and places of worship, as its just freedom of speech. Also the people outside that mosque were united to protect that mosque. Already angry as I have just explained, were these people further provoked? Or did they just charge. I have seen footage of the SIOE making provoking gestures but don’t tell me Tristan’s was on a break and missed that bit (There are 2 Pics on Harrow times site which show some provoking behaviour, so NO Tristan did not miss any of it). You have a group of angry and insulted people, if you started making such gestures what would you expect them to do. Further to the accuracy of Tristan’s report which states, a group of young ASIAN men chased a small group of protesters. I THOUGHT THEY HAD THEIR FACES COVERED, did Tristan Kirk run after them to ask them their ethnicity or has this reporter made a generalised INACCURATE assumption? amy425
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5:46pm Sun 13 Sep 09

DimSum says...

Jeremy,

That was a long and rather fanciful reply to my post. You were clever enough to check the email address I used, oddly enough though not clever enough to work out that I am not in Singapore. Assumtions, seems to be the way of the political classes nowdays.

So, just like your Dear Leader, brain and mouth disconnected.

...... and Harrow is still a disgrace, and you are, and always will be helpless to do anything about !.

Damage done.
Jeremy, That was a long and rather fanciful reply to my post. You were clever enough to check the email address I used, oddly enough though not clever enough to work out that I am not in Singapore. Assumtions, seems to be the way of the political classes nowdays. So, just like your Dear Leader, brain and mouth disconnected. ...... and Harrow is still a disgrace, and you are, and always will be helpless to do anything about !. Damage done. DimSum
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6:49pm Sun 13 Sep 09

SuperStudent18 says...

'Cllr' Jeremy Zeid, can you EVER make a point without being offensive?
Shocking.
'Cllr' Jeremy Zeid, can you EVER make a point without being offensive? Shocking. SuperStudent18
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6:54pm Sun 13 Sep 09

amy425 says...

Wow cllr I have to say you really are full of stuff that falls out the back of a bull.
Your ignorant narrow minded comments are still inaccurate. Tristan like any other journalist is bound by their goals of propaganda and public attention seeking. No I was not there but I witnessed the events in Luton but of course you didn’t read my comment very well. So what did you and your council badge do prior to the protest to prevent chaos from occurring? NOTHING! But you seem to have the answer for everything now. I am so glad that people made sure that these people didn’t get anywhere near their place of worship as you and your id badge would not have been much use then. Your loyalty to the media shows you’re the one that’s blinded particularly by the TIMES. By the way I like how you can determine a person’s ethnicity just by looking at their eyes. It must be the magical powers of your ID badge.
Wow cllr I have to say you really are full of stuff that falls out the back of a bull. Your ignorant narrow minded comments are still inaccurate. Tristan like any other journalist is bound by their goals of propaganda and public attention seeking. No I was not there but I witnessed the events in Luton but of course you didn’t read my comment very well. So what did you and your council badge do prior to the protest to prevent chaos from occurring? NOTHING! But you seem to have the answer for everything now. I am so glad that people made sure that these people didn’t get anywhere near their place of worship as you and your id badge would not have been much use then. Your loyalty to the media shows you’re the one that’s blinded particularly by the TIMES. By the way I like how you can determine a person’s ethnicity just by looking at their eyes. It must be the magical powers of your ID badge. amy425
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7:30pm Sun 13 Sep 09

pricklypilgrim says...

SuperStudent18 wrote:
'Cllr' Jeremy Zeid, can you EVER make a point without being offensive? Shocking.
It *is* shocking! Over-emotional, crude and OTT. Lacking in dignity, in a way that one doesn't expect to see in someone with political aspirations.
[quote][p][bold]SuperStudent18[/bold] wrote: 'Cllr' Jeremy Zeid, can you EVER make a point without being offensive? Shocking.[/p][/quote]It *is* shocking! Over-emotional, crude and OTT. Lacking in dignity, in a way that one doesn't expect to see in someone with political aspirations. pricklypilgrim
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7:38pm Sun 13 Sep 09

Heather Davies says...

I am really finding it difficult to believe that this Jeremy Zeid is a Cllr? Shocking.
I am really finding it difficult to believe that this Jeremy Zeid is a Cllr? Shocking. Heather Davies
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7:41pm Sun 13 Sep 09

pricklypilgrim says...

I even surfed to Harrow Council's website to check that there *was* such a person! (there is...)
I even surfed to Harrow Council's website to check that there *was* such a person! (there is...) pricklypilgrim
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7:41pm Sun 13 Sep 09

Heather Davies says...

I've just seen Zeid's piccy; really, he should not throw insults at others's. And he's a Conservative! Lol Oh my Gosh. lol. Sack him; kick him out. lol
I've just seen Zeid's piccy; really, he should not throw insults at others's. And he's a Conservative! Lol Oh my Gosh. lol. Sack him; kick him out. lol Heather Davies
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8:17pm Sun 13 Sep 09

SuperStudent18 says...

It appears that Muslims and anti-Islamists have united in condemning 'Cllr' Jeremy Zeid.
See, there is some hope left in this world!
It appears that Muslims and anti-Islamists have united in condemning 'Cllr' Jeremy Zeid. See, there is some hope left in this world! SuperStudent18
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4:44pm Mon 14 Sep 09

shay123 says...

Heather Davies and Richard! get a life for goodness sake you are really pathetic!
Heather Davies and Richard! get a life for goodness sake you are really pathetic! shay123
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10:16am Tue 15 Sep 09

rcbaron says...

The violent protest outside a mosque in Harrow seems to have produced a lot of strong emotion and some wild ideas. I'm not really sure what started it, but that doesn't seem to matter any more.

I think that Cllr Jeremy Zeid has added to the confusion by his reference to left-Wing Fascists. The people who claim to be the extreme opposite of Fascists and Nazis are usually known as Commies. I accept his point that if you moved from one regime to the other you might not be able to tell the difference.

The mainstream news media don't help by treating the far Left as normal, so that anyone opposed to them must be far Right.

I don't understand how Palestine came into all this. I guess that someone looked at his map to locate the recent conflict involving the Tamils, and found it was in a part of the British Empire called Ceylon. Palestine is on the same map.
The violent protest outside a mosque in Harrow seems to have produced a lot of strong emotion and some wild ideas. I'm not really sure what started it, but that doesn't seem to matter any more. I think that Cllr Jeremy Zeid has added to the confusion by his reference to left-Wing Fascists. The people who claim to be the extreme opposite of Fascists and Nazis are usually known as Commies. I accept his point that if you moved from one regime to the other you might not be able to tell the difference. The mainstream news media don't help by treating the far Left as normal, so that anyone opposed to them must be far Right. I don't understand how Palestine came into all this. I guess that someone looked at his map to locate the recent conflict involving the Tamils, and found it was in a part of the British Empire called Ceylon. Palestine is on the same map. rcbaron
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9:08am Wed 16 Sep 09

DimSum says...

It appears that Jeremy of Kenton has had his collar felt by the Party.

These posts you have made Jeremy were a terrific career move ! Bye !
It appears that Jeremy of Kenton has had his collar felt by the Party. These posts you have made Jeremy were a terrific career move ! Bye ! DimSum
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10:40am Wed 16 Sep 09

harrowsucks says...

spmalkani wrote:
Time to take stock and reflect on how to keep such disgraceful people out of this borough.impossible to believe this happened in our Harrow.
Yeh, i agree 100%, harsher immigration rules and no more moqsues would do the trick.
[quote][p][bold]spmalkani[/bold] wrote: Time to take stock and reflect on how to keep such disgraceful people out of this borough.impossible to believe this happened in our Harrow.[/p][/quote]Yeh, i agree 100%, harsher immigration rules and no more moqsues would do the trick. harrowsucks
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10:45am Wed 16 Sep 09

harrowsucks says...

spmalkani wrote:
Time to take stock and reflect on how to keep such disgraceful people out of this borough.impossible to believe this happened in our Harrow.
Lived here my whole life and this saddens me, Harrow used to be such a nice place.

The fact is, multiculturism and mass immigration from third world countries HAS ruined it, any logical thinking person who lives here would know that.
[quote][p][bold]spmalkani[/bold] wrote: Time to take stock and reflect on how to keep such disgraceful people out of this borough.impossible to believe this happened in our Harrow.[/p][/quote]Lived here my whole life and this saddens me, Harrow used to be such a nice place. The fact is, multiculturism and mass immigration from third world countries HAS ruined it, any logical thinking person who lives here would know that. harrowsucks
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11:17am Wed 16 Sep 09

DimSum says...

Harrow is third world, just like Hounslow, Wembley, Alperton, Burnt Oak, Edgware. In fact all of NW London.

Thanks NuLabour !!

How much more damage can they do ?

The likes of Jeremy can't do a thing about it, his cronies are going to rub our noses in it.


Harrow is third world, just like Hounslow, Wembley, Alperton, Burnt Oak, Edgware. In fact all of NW London. Thanks NuLabour !! How much more damage can they do ? The likes of Jeremy can't do a thing about it, his cronies are going to rub our noses in it. DimSum
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7:15pm Sat 19 Sep 09

Richard_at_Harrow says...

Richard the great is back - YEAHHH.
Hey kid grow up. Throwing insults around just confirms you're as thick as JBE. By the way stud, seems like your primeval cult has taken a battering. Oh well - must be time for prayers. Off you go - and don't forget to clean your snotty nose while you're at it.
Richard the great is back - YEAHHH. Hey kid grow up. Throwing insults around just confirms you're as thick as JBE. By the way stud, seems like your primeval cult has taken a battering. Oh well - must be time for prayers. Off you go - and don't forget to clean your snotty nose while you're at it. Richard_at_Harrow
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7:17pm Sat 19 Sep 09

Richard_at_Harrow says...

dipstick dimsum - please unplug your internet. You don't deserve it. Do we log on and insult Singapore?
dipstick dimsum - please unplug your internet. You don't deserve it. Do we log on and insult Singapore? Richard_at_Harrow
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