Spitting ban proposed by Harrow Borough Council

Harrow Times: Cllr Susan Hall: 'I am sure everyone finds spitting in the street a repulsive habit' Cllr Susan Hall: 'I am sure everyone finds spitting in the street a repulsive habit'

Plans to ban spitting on the streets of Harrow and to fine those caught offending have been announced.

Harrow Borough Council has launched a petition to collect public support for introducing a ban under the authority's by-laws.

Other councils in London including Waltham Forest Council and Enfield Borough Council have already banned spitting and issued on-the-spot fines to those caught offending.

Leader of the council Susan Hall said: “I am sure everyone finds spitting in the street a repulsive habit. Not only is it yobbish but it is also unhygienic and leads to staining of pavements, which costs taxpayers in the long-run.

“It is time to render this practice unacceptable. But to do that we need to show that people in Harrow want firm but sensible powers to deal with it.

“I would urge everyone to sign our petition to create a new by-law banning spitting in public, and send a strong signal to central covernment that we need action now.”

Any new by-law must be approved Department for Communities and Local Government and the council must show there is support from the community for the ban.

The council must also show that spitting is a significant problem in the borough and also indicate what counts as an offence and what cases may be exempt, such as sporting fixtures.

The council has launched a three-month petition to gauge the level of public support for a ban.

Thos interest in signing the petition online can do so here or can sign a paper version at the Civic centre and the borough’s libraries.

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2:50am Tue 21 Jan 14

the g man says...

Why has it taken until 2014 before something has been done about this filthy disease spreading habit ?
Why has it taken until 2014 before something has been done about this filthy disease spreading habit ? the g man
  • Score: 7

11:22am Tue 21 Jan 14

craigp says...

Generally I agree it isn't very pleasant. However, when I am out running I occasionally need to relieve myself of a larger than normal amount of saliva that builds up, which I don't need to do when not running. I'm careful to direct it towards grass verges or into gutters rather than the pavement. Am I to be criminalised? How about the sweat that drips from me as I run? Shall I be fined for that too?
Generally I agree it isn't very pleasant. However, when I am out running I occasionally need to relieve myself of a larger than normal amount of saliva that builds up, which I don't need to do when not running. I'm careful to direct it towards grass verges or into gutters rather than the pavement. Am I to be criminalised? How about the sweat that drips from me as I run? Shall I be fined for that too? craigp
  • Score: -6

1:28pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Sonoo Malkani says...

High time this extremely disgusting,unhealthy habit was stopped and our public not exposed to infectious diseases such as TB which can spread from the spit without the carrier even being aware they are doing it.Not only is it unsightly and costing precious tax pounds but it often is a health hazard which means more monies going down the drain because some folk refuse to consider the feelings of others.

Betel nut or PAAN spit is red in colour and creates nasty stains plus pose a health risk such as TB (Tubercolosis).Then there is KHAT spit which poses another problem.It is a sad fact that some of our communities do this without thinking and must have a constructive dialogue within each of our own community groups to raise awreness and make sure we stop this offensive and most unsavoury behaviour,spreading disease, in some cases.Of course it is not just people who consume PAAN or KHAT who are the only offenders

I urge all Harrovians to please help us keep our borough clean and disease free so it is an inviting one for all to live and work in and also visit.

Certainly need to have the by-laws passed to support a spitting ban and make sensible provision for people with genuine issues..Craigp,I humbly suggest perhaps one might collect spit in a tissue and dispose of it in a bin if they are out running etc

Brent have already successfully dealt with this problem and imposed fines.We should look at introducing this sooner rather than later.
High time this extremely disgusting,unhealthy habit was stopped and our public not exposed to infectious diseases such as TB which can spread from the spit without the carrier even being aware they are doing it.Not only is it unsightly and costing precious tax pounds but it often is a health hazard which means more monies going down the drain because some folk refuse to consider the feelings of others. Betel nut or PAAN spit is red in colour and creates nasty stains plus pose a health risk such as TB (Tubercolosis).Then there is KHAT spit which poses another problem.It is a sad fact that some of our communities do this without thinking and must have a constructive dialogue within each of our own community groups to raise awreness and make sure we stop this offensive and most unsavoury behaviour,spreading disease, in some cases.Of course it is not just people who consume PAAN or KHAT who are the only offenders I urge all Harrovians to please help us keep our borough clean and disease free so it is an inviting one for all to live and work in and also visit. Certainly need to have the by-laws passed to support a spitting ban and make sensible provision for people with genuine issues..Craigp,I humbly suggest perhaps one might collect spit in a tissue and dispose of it in a bin if they are out running etc Brent have already successfully dealt with this problem and imposed fines.We should look at introducing this sooner rather than later. Sonoo Malkani
  • Score: -1

10:38pm Tue 21 Jan 14

HappyDebs says...

Spitting can spread disease. My children were injected with a vaccine when 3 days old due to living in a borough that has man people spitting. i thinkmthe injection was for TB. One person almost spat at my son by accident when my son was in the buggy! I fully support this proposal.
Spitting can spread disease. My children were injected with a vaccine when 3 days old due to living in a borough that has man people spitting. i thinkmthe injection was for TB. One person almost spat at my son by accident when my son was in the buggy! I fully support this proposal. HappyDebs
  • Score: 4

6:56am Wed 22 Jan 14

diligaf says...

It will neverever work, we dont have enough police officers as it is to enforce the law never mind spitting...
It will neverever work, we dont have enough police officers as it is to enforce the law never mind spitting... diligaf
  • Score: 0

8:52am Wed 22 Jan 14

craigp says...

You've obviously never run Sonoo. A tissue would disintegrate within minutes from the sweat. And I'm normally out for an hour or two. It doesn't really matter, the places I run don't really have that many enforcement officers about (like Diligaf says, does anywhere?), so I will continue doing what I do with no impact on others. Plus the mountains of litter will obscure the spit anyway.
You've obviously never run Sonoo. A tissue would disintegrate within minutes from the sweat. And I'm normally out for an hour or two. It doesn't really matter, the places I run don't really have that many enforcement officers about (like Diligaf says, does anywhere?), so I will continue doing what I do with no impact on others. Plus the mountains of litter will obscure the spit anyway. craigp
  • Score: -2

9:49am Wed 22 Jan 14

ipsofacto says...

craigp wrote:
Generally I agree it isn't very pleasant. However, when I am out running I occasionally need to relieve myself of a larger than normal amount of saliva that builds up, which I don't need to do when not running. I'm careful to direct it towards grass verges or into gutters rather than the pavement. Am I to be criminalised? How about the sweat that drips from me as I run? Shall I be fined for that too?
@craigp

I do a fair amount of outdoor cardio-vascular activitiy and sometimes feel the need to spit. So I take out my tissue/handkerchief and spit into that.

I do not want you to be 'criminalised'. I just want you *not* to be anti-social. And *not* increase the possibility of spreading diseases.

I still remember the notices on the top floor of Routemaster buses in the 1950s having signs forbidding spitting. And then we thought TB had been eradicated in the UK.
[quote][p][bold]craigp[/bold] wrote: Generally I agree it isn't very pleasant. However, when I am out running I occasionally need to relieve myself of a larger than normal amount of saliva that builds up, which I don't need to do when not running. I'm careful to direct it towards grass verges or into gutters rather than the pavement. Am I to be criminalised? How about the sweat that drips from me as I run? Shall I be fined for that too?[/p][/quote]@craigp I do a fair amount of outdoor cardio-vascular activitiy and sometimes feel the need to spit. So I take out my tissue/handkerchief and spit into that. I do not want you to be 'criminalised'. I just want you *not* to be anti-social. And *not* increase the possibility of spreading diseases. I still remember the notices on the top floor of Routemaster buses in the 1950s having signs forbidding spitting. And then we thought TB had been eradicated in the UK. ipsofacto
  • Score: 2

10:44am Wed 22 Jan 14

jackdaw says...

craigp

Why not take a small plastic container out with you when running. You can then dispose of the saliva when you reach home, wash the container and reuse the next day. It is not rocket science.

Presumably you run to keep fit. Why wouldn't you wish everyone else to be healthy by reducing their chances of catching TB and also saving the NHS money.
craigp Why not take a small plastic container out with you when running. You can then dispose of the saliva when you reach home, wash the container and reuse the next day. It is not rocket science. Presumably you run to keep fit. Why wouldn't you wish everyone else to be healthy by reducing their chances of catching TB and also saving the NHS money. jackdaw
  • Score: 2

10:58am Wed 22 Jan 14

craigp says...

It is pretty difficult to run when suffering from TB, I'm fairly sure I don't have it.

Please everybody, I also need a patronising solution to the terrible issue of my disgusting sweat being scattered all over the borough!

TB is also spread via sneezing. Isn't it about time people were fined for not carrying hankies around and covering their mouths when sneezing?
It is pretty difficult to run when suffering from TB, I'm fairly sure I don't have it. Please everybody, I also need a patronising solution to the terrible issue of my disgusting sweat being scattered all over the borough! TB is also spread via sneezing. Isn't it about time people were fined for not carrying hankies around and covering their mouths when sneezing? craigp
  • Score: -1

12:17pm Wed 22 Jan 14

ipsofacto says...

@craigp

You do not need any patronising solutions about your sweat. I use either a small flannel or the arm of my long-sleeve t-shirt for when I sweat as a result of exercising outdoors.

I have been going to gyms for over 20 years and I have never ever seen anyone spit on the floor whilst using a treadmill, bike or any other piece of equipment. There is never ever any need whatsoever to spit on the ground. You have been given three useful suggestions - tissue, handkerchief and a small plastic container - so you really should give each of them a go and see if it helps.
@craigp You do not need any patronising solutions about your sweat. I use either a small flannel or the arm of my long-sleeve t-shirt for when I sweat as a result of exercising outdoors. I have been going to gyms for over 20 years and I have never ever seen anyone spit on the floor whilst using a treadmill, bike or any other piece of equipment. There is never ever any need whatsoever to spit on the ground. You have been given three useful suggestions - tissue, handkerchief and a small plastic container - so you really should give each of them a go and see if it helps. ipsofacto
  • Score: 1

4:22pm Wed 22 Jan 14

craigp says...

So I should be constantly flanneling my whole body down as I run? Doesn't seem very practical. Whatever I wear, sweat penetrates and flies off.

Gyms are air conditioned, drying out the air, so I tend not to generate excess saliva there, and rather take fluids onboard when running there.
So I should be constantly flanneling my whole body down as I run? Doesn't seem very practical. Whatever I wear, sweat penetrates and flies off. Gyms are air conditioned, drying out the air, so I tend not to generate excess saliva there, and rather take fluids onboard when running there. craigp
  • Score: -1

4:59pm Wed 22 Jan 14

ipsofacto says...

@craigp

"So I should be constantly flanneling my whole body down as I run? Doesn't seem very practical. Whatever I wear, sweat penetrates and flies off"

Constantly, no. Occasionally, definitely. So I use my tissues and flannel when I get to a pedestrian crossing, for example, when you know you will have at least a 30 second wait. It really isn't that difficult.

I take your point about air-conditioning at gyms but I assume you re-hydrate whilst you are running outside. That regular drinking should prevent the need to spit as your saliva will be swallowed with your hydration drink.

I just get the feeling that you want to place obstacles in the face of sensible suggestions which are rooted in experience.
@craigp "So I should be constantly flanneling my whole body down as I run? Doesn't seem very practical. Whatever I wear, sweat penetrates and flies off" Constantly, no. Occasionally, definitely. So I use my tissues and flannel when I get to a pedestrian crossing, for example, when you know you will have at least a 30 second wait. It really isn't that difficult. I take your point about air-conditioning at gyms but I assume you re-hydrate whilst you are running outside. That regular drinking should prevent the need to spit as your saliva will be swallowed with your hydration drink. I just get the feeling that you want to place obstacles in the face of sensible suggestions which are rooted in experience. ipsofacto
  • Score: 1

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