Concerns raised over cleaner Harrow investment

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Opposition councillors have raised concerns over a cleaner borough investment which they say will leave "a black hole" in the budget.

The comments come following yesterday’s announcement from Harrow Borough Council of a £500,000 investment in services such as litter clearing and parks maintenance.

Harrow Council's Labour group have attacked the Conservative administration and leader of the council Cllr Susan Hall, who announced the investment, for being irresponsible with council finances.

Cllr Sachin Shah, Labour's member for finance, said: "Susan Hall appears to be using a fund created by Labour to pay for these projects, but that money runs out at the end of this year.

“It is only because of Labour's ability to manage the books she has any money to spend at all.

“Her new announcement will create a massive black hole in the council finances for next year, and shows she has not got her eye on the ball.

“This type of back of the fag packet budgeting is not only irresponsible, it is dangerous too. The people of Harrow deserve better."

In response Cllr Hall said: “With this Conservative administration you get the grass cut, with the previous Labour administration you got your job cut – as they had intended to spend hundreds of thousands of pounds of this secretive Priority Initiatives fund on making staff redundant."

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1:16pm Wed 9 Oct 13

JC757568 says...

Wonderful news, we have an administration that at last understands that one of the key functions of a council is to keep the parks and streets clear of litter.

The policy of street cleaning on a 6 week cycle needs to be urgently reviewed and the frequency reduced, we have had enough of roads and open spaces in the borough being overwhelmed with litter and weeds.

Cllr Shah, fails to recognise the key functions of running a council with his condemnation of the money being allocated for such an important service.

Perhaps, had previous adminstrations not spent so much time and effort on IT and purchasing IPads for their staff, there could have seen what was important to the people they are meant to serve.
Wonderful news, we have an administration that at last understands that one of the key functions of a council is to keep the parks and streets clear of litter. The policy of street cleaning on a 6 week cycle needs to be urgently reviewed and the frequency reduced, we have had enough of roads and open spaces in the borough being overwhelmed with litter and weeds. Cllr Shah, fails to recognise the key functions of running a council with his condemnation of the money being allocated for such an important service. Perhaps, had previous adminstrations not spent so much time and effort on IT and purchasing IPads for their staff, there could have seen what was important to the people they are meant to serve. JC757568
  • Score: 2

1:20pm Wed 9 Oct 13

jayjoe says...

I want to know how Susan Hall is paying for this. I'm not fused about streets being cleaned every week. I want services for the elderly and vulnerable.
I want to know how Susan Hall is paying for this. I'm not fused about streets being cleaned every week. I want services for the elderly and vulnerable. jayjoe
  • Score: -3

2:44pm Wed 9 Oct 13

Cllr Husain Akhtar says...

The rhythmic slogan ‘with us you get the grass cut, with Labour you got your job cut’ has no budgetary merit or justification for the erratic expenditure to increase chances at the forthcoming by-election or the elections next year.
What was the state of Harrow streets and parks pre May 2010?
The rhythmic slogan ‘with us you get the grass cut, with Labour you got your job cut’ has no budgetary merit or justification for the erratic expenditure to increase chances at the forthcoming by-election or the elections next year. What was the state of Harrow streets and parks pre May 2010? Cllr Husain Akhtar
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5:39pm Wed 9 Oct 13

simes18 says...

JC757568 wrote:
Wonderful news, we have an administration that at last understands that one of the key functions of a council is to keep the parks and streets clear of litter.

The policy of street cleaning on a 6 week cycle needs to be urgently reviewed and the frequency reduced, we have had enough of roads and open spaces in the borough being overwhelmed with litter and weeds.

Cllr Shah, fails to recognise the key functions of running a council with his condemnation of the money being allocated for such an important service.

Perhaps, had previous adminstrations not spent so much time and effort on IT and purchasing IPads for their staff, there could have seen what was important to the people they are meant to serve.
The policy of street cleaning on a 6 week cycle needs to be urgently reviewed and the frequency reduced, we have had enough of roads and open spaces in the borough being overwhelmed with litter and weeds.

Its not just small items of litter that are left lying about. There are a lot of not easily disposable items being dumped around like beds, sofas, fridges, TV's an computers .
[quote][p][bold]JC757568[/bold] wrote: Wonderful news, we have an administration that at last understands that one of the key functions of a council is to keep the parks and streets clear of litter. The policy of street cleaning on a 6 week cycle needs to be urgently reviewed and the frequency reduced, we have had enough of roads and open spaces in the borough being overwhelmed with litter and weeds. Cllr Shah, fails to recognise the key functions of running a council with his condemnation of the money being allocated for such an important service. Perhaps, had previous adminstrations not spent so much time and effort on IT and purchasing IPads for their staff, there could have seen what was important to the people they are meant to serve.[/p][/quote]The policy of street cleaning on a 6 week cycle needs to be urgently reviewed and the frequency reduced, we have had enough of roads and open spaces in the borough being overwhelmed with litter and weeds. Its not just small items of litter that are left lying about. There are a lot of not easily disposable items being dumped around like beds, sofas, fridges, TV's an computers . simes18
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9:47pm Wed 9 Oct 13

jackdaw says...

jayjoe wrote:
I want to know how Susan Hall is paying for this. I'm not fused about streets being cleaned every week. I want services for the elderly and vulnerable.
jayjoe

I am amazed by the comment that elderly and vulnerable residents and yourself are not interested in cleanliness. I am sure most of Harrow's elderly and vulnerable residents would be offended by that slur and would want a clean and safe borough.

Perhaps you should inform your neighbours that you do not wish your street to be cleaned and see what their response is to that statement. If you choose to live in filth that is up to you but you should not be requesting that for others.
[quote][p][bold]jayjoe[/bold] wrote: I want to know how Susan Hall is paying for this. I'm not fused about streets being cleaned every week. I want services for the elderly and vulnerable.[/p][/quote]jayjoe I am amazed by the comment that elderly and vulnerable residents and yourself are not interested in cleanliness. I am sure most of Harrow's elderly and vulnerable residents would be offended by that slur and would want a clean and safe borough. Perhaps you should inform your neighbours that you do not wish your street to be cleaned and see what their response is to that statement. If you choose to live in filth that is up to you but you should not be requesting that for others. jackdaw
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11:42pm Wed 9 Oct 13

simes18 says...

The Council does a good job job in trying to keep the parks and streets clean.

If people disposed of their rubbish properly, the borough would be cleaner. One of the problems of regular trips to the dump (and its not unique to Harrow) is that the local authority have such things as ANPR, and there are certain charges dependent on the number of trips in a certain period and whether or not the waste is commercial..
The Council does a good job job in trying to keep the parks and streets clean. If people disposed of their rubbish properly, the borough would be cleaner. One of the problems of regular trips to the dump (and its not unique to Harrow) is that the local authority have such things as ANPR, and there are certain charges dependent on the number of trips in a certain period and whether or not the waste is commercial.. simes18
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1:23pm Thu 10 Oct 13

Sonoo Malkani says...

Beggars belief that the people of Harrow don't mind having littered streets and a dirty environment.What a load of non-sense!Everybody wants to enjoy a clean and healthy environment.Harrow is NOT a ghetto so achieving a decent,filth-free environment requires targetted action.

There is firm evidence since many years that areas with a run-down,neglected look often attract criminals of all sorts and invariably everything starts to go downhill thereafter.It is an invitation for anti-social elements to populate the area.Our Safer Neighbourhood Panels and Neighbourhood Champions can tell you how largely the state of the neighbourhood and your living area determines the presence or lack of crime!!

Surely,it is extremely foolish to sit back on one's haunches and allow the borough's surroundings to disintegrate.

I am baffled by Simes 18 who says the Council has ANPR and this impacts on charges on visits to the dump!

ANPR is AUTOMATIC NUMBER PLATE RECOGNITION.It is a METROPOLITAN POLICE tactic used very specifically and targetted at criminals and ROADUSERS who evade RoadTax,Vehicle Insurance and a host of other related crimes.!Sorry if I have misunderstood you,Simes 18.

Perhaps the Council will consider reviewing how much it charges commercial vehicles for the use of their tips in a bid to reduce illegal fly-tipping!

At the end of the day,As a senior citizen I most definitely expect my borough to be "fit for purpose"----clean,ti
dy,safe and very welcoming,so that we can all live a decent life in healthy surroundings.
Beggars belief that the people of Harrow don't mind having littered streets and a dirty environment.What a load of non-sense!Everybody wants to enjoy a clean and healthy environment.Harrow is NOT a ghetto so achieving a decent,filth-free environment requires targetted action. There is firm evidence since many years that areas with a run-down,neglected look often attract criminals of all sorts and invariably everything starts to go downhill thereafter.It is an invitation for anti-social elements to populate the area.Our Safer Neighbourhood Panels and Neighbourhood Champions can tell you how largely the state of the neighbourhood and your living area determines the presence or lack of crime!! Surely,it is extremely foolish to sit back on one's haunches and allow the borough's surroundings to disintegrate. I am baffled by Simes 18 who says the Council has ANPR and this impacts on charges on visits to the dump! ANPR is AUTOMATIC NUMBER PLATE RECOGNITION.It is a METROPOLITAN POLICE tactic used very specifically and targetted at criminals and ROADUSERS who evade RoadTax,Vehicle Insurance and a host of other related crimes.!Sorry if I have misunderstood you,Simes 18. Perhaps the Council will consider reviewing how much it charges commercial vehicles for the use of their tips in a bid to reduce illegal fly-tipping! At the end of the day,As a senior citizen I most definitely expect my borough to be "fit for purpose"----clean,ti dy,safe and very welcoming,so that we can all live a decent life in healthy surroundings. Sonoo Malkani
  • Score: 0

6:10pm Thu 10 Oct 13

Cllr Husain Akhtar says...

Keeping Harrow clean and safe can only be good but it becomes obnoxious when the cleanliness is used as a gimmick for political gains.
To pay the credit where it is due, Harrow became much bright and clean after Cllr Hall led her party to defeat in May 2010 council elections.
Despite Harrow streets and parks being kept well, Cllr Hall publicised they were not and used this as an excuse to oust Cllr Idaikkadar and sneaked through the back door to claim the leadership of the council where many consider her leadership challenge process being unconstitutional. Furthermore, voter did not vote her as the leader of the council nor did they vote her party to run the council.
And then once again she has used the ‘street cleaning’ as a tool, perhaps this time to boost her group’s chances at the forthcoming by-election and the council elections in 2014.
At the time of scarce resources, the £500,000 has to come from somewhere and it is only appropriate to ask how this politically motivated expenditure impacts the budget and what aspects of the council’s services have been scarified in order to score this political point.
There is a lot of truth in what has been said, “Perhaps for some people sweeping the streets in Harrow is the priority. Others are more worried where they will be sleeping tonight.”
Keeping Harrow clean and safe can only be good but it becomes obnoxious when the cleanliness is used as a gimmick for political gains. To pay the credit where it is due, Harrow became much bright and clean after Cllr Hall led her party to defeat in May 2010 council elections. Despite Harrow streets and parks being kept well, Cllr Hall publicised they were not and used this as an excuse to oust Cllr Idaikkadar and sneaked through the back door to claim the leadership of the council where many consider her leadership challenge process being unconstitutional. Furthermore, voter did not vote her as the leader of the council nor did they vote her party to run the council. And then once again she has used the ‘street cleaning’ as a tool, perhaps this time to boost her group’s chances at the forthcoming by-election and the council elections in 2014. At the time of scarce resources, the £500,000 has to come from somewhere and it is only appropriate to ask how this politically motivated expenditure impacts the budget and what aspects of the council’s services have been scarified in order to score this political point. There is a lot of truth in what has been said, “Perhaps for some people sweeping the streets in Harrow is the priority. Others are more worried where they will be sleeping tonight.” Cllr Husain Akhtar
  • Score: -2

11:23am Fri 11 Oct 13

SeaBee says...

Sonoo "ANPR is AUTOMATIC NUMBER PLATE RECOGNITION.It is a METROPOLITAN POLICE tactic used very specifically and targetted at criminals and ROADUSERS who evade RoadTax,Vehicle Insurance and a host of other related crimes"

You'd better have a word with all the supermarkets who use ANPR to attempt to charge drivers, when their parking restrictions are ignored.

ANPR is used at the domestic waste facility to identify potential trade waste dumpers who are attempting to avoid paying for the service. Unfortunately it also picks up genuine domestic waste dumpers who are having a major clear out.
Sonoo "ANPR is AUTOMATIC NUMBER PLATE RECOGNITION.It is a METROPOLITAN POLICE tactic used very specifically and targetted at criminals and ROADUSERS who evade RoadTax,Vehicle Insurance and a host of other related crimes" You'd better have a word with all the supermarkets who use ANPR to attempt to charge drivers, when their parking restrictions are ignored. ANPR is used at the domestic waste facility to identify potential trade waste dumpers who are attempting to avoid paying for the service. Unfortunately it also picks up genuine domestic waste dumpers who are having a major clear out. SeaBee
  • Score: 1

11:23am Fri 11 Oct 13

SeaBee says...

Sonoo "ANPR is AUTOMATIC NUMBER PLATE RECOGNITION.It is a METROPOLITAN POLICE tactic used very specifically and targetted at criminals and ROADUSERS who evade RoadTax,Vehicle Insurance and a host of other related crimes"

You'd better have a word with all the supermarkets who use ANPR to attempt to charge drivers, when their parking restrictions are ignored.

ANPR is used at the domestic waste facility to identify potential trade waste dumpers who are attempting to avoid paying for the service. Unfortunately it also picks up genuine domestic waste dumpers who are having a major clear out.
Sonoo "ANPR is AUTOMATIC NUMBER PLATE RECOGNITION.It is a METROPOLITAN POLICE tactic used very specifically and targetted at criminals and ROADUSERS who evade RoadTax,Vehicle Insurance and a host of other related crimes" You'd better have a word with all the supermarkets who use ANPR to attempt to charge drivers, when their parking restrictions are ignored. ANPR is used at the domestic waste facility to identify potential trade waste dumpers who are attempting to avoid paying for the service. Unfortunately it also picks up genuine domestic waste dumpers who are having a major clear out. SeaBee
  • Score: 1

2:39pm Tue 15 Oct 13

Sonoo Malkani says...

Thanks for bringing me up to speed,Seabee.I stand corrected.I had no idea that ANPR information was being used by Supermarkets and others for their own purposes.This really needs to be looked into, since this startegy was not originally designed for such use.
Thanks for bringing me up to speed,Seabee.I stand corrected.I had no idea that ANPR information was being used by Supermarkets and others for their own purposes.This really needs to be looked into, since this startegy was not originally designed for such use. Sonoo Malkani
  • Score: 0

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